RUSSIA: Hands off Ukraine!

[big-daddy]

Putin, and by extension his followers, <if not all Russian> are SCUMBAGS. How dare he interfere in affairs of an independent (at least on paper) state by siding with Yanukovich???!!! Then there are reports of 'specnaz' from Russia on the streets of our capital. If Ukraine is going to explode in a couple of days, and Russia's <military?> presence would be more blatant, you just might see me on news with a dynomite stick at a Russian embassy. LET UKRAINE GO, YOU BLOODSUCKERS!

Originally posted by big-daddy
How dare he interfere in affairs of an independent (at least on paper) state by siding with Yanukovich???!!!


Why don't you mind western interference by supporting Yuschenko? I think it's right of every neighbour to side with one candidate or another.

Then there are reports of 'specnaz' from Russia on the streets of our capital. If Ukraine is going to explode in a couple of days, and Russia's <military?> presence would be more blatant

I think if Yuschenko's gang organises some kind of revolution, Russia should protect those who opposes this western puppet, mainly in Eastern regions, those people, whose will you don't seem to respect at least a little.

[yavsyovremyazdec]

All Russian are scumbags....uhhh yeeaaaahhhhh....

Oh hey, doesn't it suck that the whole of eastern Ukraine is Russian? So you hate your country? Tsk tsk.

"big-daddy" on his way to the Russian embassy:

[big-daddy]

To alex:

Why don't you mind western interference by supporting Yuschenko? I think it's right of every neighbour to side with one candidate or another.

Are comparing historically semi-barbarian, asiatic, totalitarian Russia with West? C'mon. "The RIGHT of every neighbor" to interfere goes against all civilized norms. You simply cannot argue against it. We can write all kinds of stuff in this forum, but norms are freaking norms. Putin should wait till victor is elected, sworn in, then smile, shake his hand and try to work with him.

"...I think if Yuschenko's gang..." - are you calling 100-200,000 people a gang?
Have you guys even seen the list of cases of voter fraud? Turnout in Donetsk oblast 97%! What is this? North Korea? or dictatorial Belarus? Sure Ya. has more votes, but if the process, which every civilized country, except Russia, says was flawed, you throw it out the window.

"... Russia should protect those..." - the oldest device in history for military annexations. If this is to happen, then Ukraine should invoke every treaty with NATO about protection that it had signed in 1991.

"...those people, whose will you don't seem to respect at least a little..." - This is called dictatorship of majority. It's too bad, but it's much better than dictatorship of minority. And MAJORITY has elected Yuschenko.

What most of you, knuckleheads, have to understand, is that elections are not valid. Boxes with ballots have been vandalized, ink and chemical agents poured into the boxes, multiple voters, dead voters, mentally ill voters and so on. Where did they learn this stuff? From Russia?

[Edited by big-daddy on 26th November 2004 at 20:45]

[big-daddy]

to yavsyovremyazdec:

"...All Russian are scumbags....uhhh yeeaaaahhhhh...."
Dammnit, I tried to limit such a generalization ONLY to the state of Russian Federation, not to all ethnic Russians, including on Ukrainian territory. Calling Putin a 'scumbag' is just a reaction to his recent actions. You won't hear me blasting 15-20% of Ukraine's population.
There's a difference between the state of Ukraine and Ukrainian nationality. I can "accept" (just kidding) them living in Ukraine, as long as they are loyal to the state of Ukraine.

"...Oh hey, doesn't it suck that the whole of eastern Ukraine is Russian..."
If you mean Russified, then yes. Only Yanukovich is scaring these "Russian" Ukrainian citizen that Yuschenko is evil. There's plenty of room for them in the new state.



[Edited by big-daddy on 26th November 2004 at 20:46]

[prawda__]

ukraine has europe and usa suport...if civil war watch how russia gets cut up...

Originally posted by big-daddy
A: Are comparing historically semi-barbarian, asiatic, totalitarian Russia with West? C'mon.


Yeah, and comparison isn't in west favor... West: created on ruins of ancient Rome, was dirty, poor and backward, with fires of inqusition all around europe. Later - world-wide expansion, genocide of natives all around the world, looting of colonies, slave trade... superiority coplex, self-appointed "civilization" as opposed to other "non-civilized world". So, what is the west in historic perspective? Barbarian horde, dangerous to the world.

"The RIGHT of every neighbor" to interfere goes against all civilized norms. You simply cannot argue against it. We can write all kinds of stuff in this forum, but norms are freaking norms. Putin should wait till victor is elected, sworn in, then smile, shake his hand and try to work with him.

Nope, if some country supports candidate, you're free to vote or not to vote for him. How is that goes against your right to choose? If you don't like what Putin says, don't listen, that's simple.

"...I think if Yuschenko's gang..." - are you calling 100-200,000 people a gang?

In fact there were more than 200 thousand people voted for Yuschenko. So what? No, I call him and his friends a gang. People are people, they always have something they don't like, but they need to be organised to protest. So recent events in Kiev isn't chaotic movement of people mass, but an action of opposition that uses people to achieve own targets. Btw, such organisational work consumes A LOT of money. Western money I should add.

I respect Yanukovich, because he doesn't do the same. It's easy to bring 100 000 people from Donetsk and Kharkov to Kiev to fight Yuschenko, but does Ukraine needs civil war? I think no. Yuschenko, behaves not like leader of nation, looks like people are nothing for him, power is everything. Don't you mind being a tool?

Have you guys even seen the list of cases of voter fraud? Turnout in Donetsk oblast 97%! What is this? North Korea? or dictatorial Belarus? Sure Ya. has more votes, but if the process, which every civilized country, except Russia, says was flawed, you throw it out the window.

I laugh when you guys say about Donetsk and say nothing about Lvov, where we also see unreal turnout and unreal percent of votes for Yuschenko. Is it only because in Lvov outcome is "right" and in Donetsk it is "wrong"?

In fact two Ukraines have chosen two different presidents. That's the main point. Eastern oblasts won't recognise Yuschenko as president. Western oblasts won't recognise Yanukovich. The only question in unified Ukraine, who is able to opress who. And situation will always be on the edge of explosion.

And MAJORITY has elected Yuschenko.

First, eto babka nadvoe skazala. Second, this majority is concentrated in western oblasts and Kiev, not spreaded all over the country... so dictatorship of majority means in this particular case dictatorship of one part of country over another. That's not right.