How majority of Russians see the role of Russia today?

[MichaelB_PL]

Originally posted by Dan26

Could you please tell more about these colonies. I've never heard of it

Simply, the ethnic countries mentioned above (and others) were occupied and ruled by Moscow, and generally being colonised with russification policies and settlement of russian colonists.

Compare the 1900 map of Europe with 2000 map:
http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1900.htm
http://www.euratlas.com/big/big2000.htm

As you can, see, Lithuania,Latvia,Estonia,Belarus and a big part of today Ukraine and Poland were occupied and were considered part of Russia in the 1900.(so was Finland, which is not shown however)

Later during the interwar period between the WWI and WII,except Ukraine and Belarus, these countries regained independence.

During WWII however, Soviets(Russians) invaded attacked all of the independent countries from that group and ultimatively only Poland and Finland regained independence, although both lost territories with majority with respectively Polish and Finnish ethnic population,which were taken by the Soviet Union.

Meanwhile, the Soviet Union also took a colony from the defeated Germany- the territory of Konigsberg, called "Kaliningrad" by the Russians.
You can see it as the small green territory between Lithuania and Poland- before the war, there were hardly any Russians there... after the war, the German inhabitants were resettled and Konigsberg/Kaliningrad was populated with colonists from Soviet Union.

After the fall of the Soviet Union,Lithuania,Latvia,Estonia,Belarus and Ukraine regained independence, but Poland and Finland did't regain lands which were ethnically Polish/Finnish,which were now populated with respectively Lithunian and Russian newcomers.

Also, the territory of Konigsberg/Kaliningrad is today territory of Russia,despite lack of ANY russian historical claim to this land. (as you can see examining historical maps of Europe)

think Russia will not break apart, at least because it's mostly populated by native russians who do not plan to separate. The same applies to Canada and the US.

Well, I think it depends- for example Chechnya is ethnically foreign country conducting armed fight to break up from Russia... it's also quitely likely that Konigsberg/Kaliningrad will break apart one day, somewhat like US declared independence from Britain, despite being virtually the same nation in theory.



Michael

[Balamut]

Then checnya will be an exception. Armed nation represents a threat to Russia. If they would try to protest in civil way in their time, probably they wuold have been independent today, just like Baltic states. RF tried to hold they by power, but it didn't help. Chechnya invaded Russia, I don't understand what do you want. From the beginning of times, for beaten invadors all ends just like it ended now for chechens.

For all written above, I want to add own considerations.

Just like England & Co gave it's colonies around the world, Russian federation let eastern europe go. If you consider Sibiria, part of caucasus and other mentioned parts of Russia to be occupied colonies and must also run loose, remember Great Britain and it's "colonies" Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Falklands.

Overall, if you want to start revision of land, our whole blue ball would be affected. ( together with Poland BTW)

[Alex_Ivanov]

Originally posted by MichaelB_PL

It depends on particular colonial territory- what you wrote is true for Far East, wrong for Caucasus for example.


It's true not only for Far East, but for Siberia and almost all Caucasus. There're, as I remember, only 3 regions in Russia, where Russians are small minority: Dagestan, Tuva and Chechnya. First two do not show desire for independence. Chechnya... first of all it shouldn't be in this list. Russians there formed up to half of population until genocide of 1991-1994. Speaking about independence of the republic, why don't you want to ask Russians who used to live there what do they think about it?

Well, Far East is a bit different- it's more likely to be annexed by Japan or China then become independent.

BTW do you admit that if somebody (let's say Chinese) would occupy Moscow and Novogorod and colonize it with his own colonists, it woud make Moscow or Novogrod as Chinese as Far East is now Russian?


Stronger rules. If we grow week some day, we can lose territories to more powerful nations and we can even extinct as a nation, that's possible but we must do everything we can not to follow this way. We won't surrender without fight.

Dreams? Some of it already happened. Colonies like Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia,Estonia, Finland (well, minus Karelia) which were once colonies,are independent now.


So? USSR was larger than Russian state should be. Now we speak about Russia or what? I do not miss Estonia or Tadjikistan, though it's motherland of my wife (she is Russian). Btw, karelia is bad example, it's Russian culturaly.

[MichaelB_PL]

Originally posted by Balamut
Then checnya will be an exception. Armed nation represents a threat to Russia.

What kind of threat exactly?

Chechnya invaded Russia, I don't understand what do you want.

Chechnya? Excuse me, but how many men did in fact invade Russia(Dagestan)? More or less than a batallion?

From the beginning of times, for beaten invadors all ends just like it ended now for chechens.

Listen, you must be really seriously brainwashed with Kremlin propaganda if you call that what happened an 'invasion' without making fun of it. How many men invaded Russia at that point? More or less than 1000?

Do you know what would be the pros and cons of blockading Chechnya vs invading it? Do you know the pros and cons?


Michael

[MichaelB_PL]

Originally posted by Alex_Ivanov
First two do not show desire for independence. Chechnya... first of all it shouldn't be in this list. Russians there formed up to half of population until genocide of 1991-1994.

What genocide? Something tells me it's that sort of genocide like the German mass murder of Poles in Katyn, IE non-existant fabricated tale.

Speaking about independence of the republic, why don't you want to ask Russians who used to live there what do they think about it?

It would be like asking families of Nazi soldiers occupying Poland what do they think about Poland.
Russians were always invaders on the chechnyan land, they would only tell what the invaders always do.

Stronger rules. If we grow week some day, we can lose territories to more powerful nations and we can even extinct as a nation, that's possible but we must do everything we can not to follow this way. We won't surrender without fight.

I cannot not notice the characteristic Russian moral nihilism. Aren't you guys supposed to be (Orthodox) Christians?

Dreams? Some of it already happened. Colonies like Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia,Estonia, Finland (well, minus Karelia) which were once colonies,are independent now.


So? USSR was larger than Russian state should be.

Same about current Russian Federation...

Now we speak about Russia or what? I do not miss Estonia or Tadjikistan, though it's motherland of my wife (she is Russian). Btw, karelia is bad example, it's Russian culturaly.

True, the Finns that lived there left and it was hit with demographic warheads, that is with Russian colonists.



Michael

[Marita]

Michael,
Who are you indeed to tell Siberia or Far East is not Russian? Whose is it so? There are a lot of you who try to take our land, who tried to conquer it in the past. But we never forget and never forgive.

[Lembitu]

Same here Marita, same here. Estonians think same way.