Russia's not a democracy?

[HumanRightsMatter2005]

The wrong conclusion. If a UN peace-keeping force had been let in in 1991 or 1994 those things mightnt have happened.

[mikeaverko]

F*** that noise.

Russia is Russia, so later with foreign mischief makers going there.

We see how well the EuroAtlantic fascists are governing Kosovo.

[Edited by mikeaverko on 5th August 2005 at 17:56]

[princessflower]

Just like being paied to give there entire nation exactally what they want and always getting paied by the origional company and never having to rember the car that went down the hill and realy got the job done and being owed something for the fact that they almost are what they want to be and being patient waiting for your own thing back to its origional statis in order for all the daddys girls to never have to face the drama of that extreem ever ever again.In exchange everyone gets what they want piaed peace and the origional place back. As a future result the two never had any contact again and everyone was left on there own independance from where they origonally came from and we had peace for 400 years.As if any one has another opion about the whole thing when its potentional for the whole fact of the madder is peace untill the year 50,000 if when we could imagine the world that far in the future and knowing all ouyr families will live to see the day.

[Mazepa]

http://www.pravda.ru/world/2005/5/73/207/20510_ESM.html
Exactly what I mean about Russian media being screwed up in the head.
"øòóðìóþò Êàáìèí" - these 100 or so idiots didn't even make the Ukrainian news and the government rightfully just ignored them. "Â Êèåâ ïðèøåë æàðêèé àâãóñò"- as if Ukrainians never witnessed a demonstration .
Only Russians can make a non-event sound like a prelude to something bigger.

[HumanRightsMatter2005]

Originally posted by Alex_Ivanov

No, he's talking about Dudaev (1991-1994) and Mashadov (1996-1999). In both periods Chechnya was de-facto independent and wasn't ruled from Moscow. Frist period has resulted in large-scale ethnic cleansing in republic, second - in Degestan invasion. Conclusion: independent chechnya is a trouble for everyone around. It should never be independent.

No.

To draw a parallel, you presumably support the separatist regime in Abkhazia, which expelled the entire ethnic-Georgian population of 250,000 (50% of the entire population of the area). But you're not saying it shouldn't be independent are you? On Dagestan, the Chechen government wasn't behind that. No government has control over 100% of its citizens. Richard Reed was an Al-Qaida member who attempted a shoe-bombing on a plane, and was from Britain. Do you think the US should invade Britain because this "shows Britain should never be independent"!?!?! Get things in proportion. Cross border crime goes on it is sadly part of how the world works. But that doesn't mean everyone should invade every country from which the crime comes.

It is strongly alleged that the kidnappings in Chechnya during the 1996-9 period were organised by the FSB to provide an eventual pretext for the Russians returning to invade Chechnya on the basis of "restoring order". Don't you think it's suspicious that during the Yeltsin period, his pal Boris Berezovsky always seemed to turn up to pay the ransom to the "Chechen hostage-takers"? To me it looks suspicious. Undoubtedly, some hostage-taking was carried out by Chechens. Russia must be partly blamed for this in that the flattening of Grozny and other towns destroyed the Chechen economy and crime rises when people have no jobs.

After Ireland became independent, we had a number of IRA people killing British people or Northern Ireland officials who were oppressing Catholics. That doesn't mean that "Ireland must be never be independent"! You need to think through the implications of what you are saying for the political-map of the world today. Imagine how much chaos there would be if everyone invaded a country from which some criminal elements came?

Let the Western media into Chechnya. Let the Western media into Chechnya....etc.

[mikeaverko]

Unlike the fraud HRM - Alex is correct for factually noting that Chechnya under Dudayev and Maskhadov had the greatest form of autonmy of an ethnic enclave within a nation state.

Unfortunately, this was taken advantage of, thereby resulting in the just cause for military intervention.

[Marita]

Any thief should be imprisoned.
Khodorkovsky is imprisoned - that's fair. But that is not completely fair.
Because Chubais, Abramovich and others are still free.