Russia's not a democracy?

[Alex_Ivanov]

Originally posted by MichaelB_PL
Truth: Poles reclaimed tiny part of land which the Czechs took from Poland during the 1920, and it does't in any matter justify Soviets/Russians.

The fact is Poland took part in forceful division of independent country. Whether it justifies Soviets or not, you're guilty in exactly the same you blame Soviets for. And also try to justify your mistakes by saying that land was rightfully yours.

BTW 1. You forgot Spis and Orava areas in northern Slovakia with <1% of Polish population. Also rightfully yours?

BTW 2. Poland took part in this criminal act together with nazis. So, using your words, Poland and Germany were allies, but their small differencies led them to war a year later.



Truth: Poland did't have any obligation to let any troops pass and it does't justify 17.09.1939 in any way.

De jure - correct. But de facto Poland did everything to help Hitler establish new order in Europe and thus determined its own fate.


The things Russians write are not really honest arguments, more like "best effort justification" for things for which they are no good justification.

You got it wrong. It's not about justification at first place. It's about showing what "our defenceless white and fluffy victim" really was, i.e. bringing your hypocrisy to daylight.

This is what you guys are all about: you have fantasies put into your mind, a idealised vision of your own nation

As was shown above, so are you, Michael-pole.

As for 1944, yes, I would prefer the SU to stay out, war would end in 1945 or 1946 max anyway without you guys (US atomic bomb).

I wonder if there would be some Poles by 1946 in such case. As for atimic bomb, this anecdote is probably about you. Two guys have a convesation:
-Do you know how much does A-Bomb cost?
-Do not know exactly, but several billions $ for sure.
-Wow, I want such treasury to fall on my yard right from the sky...



You think these guys did't murder any Albanians?

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-Photographs.htm

Don't you think that if we sum up every body on these photos, it won't be enough for "genocide"?

[vorosilov]

Nice post Alex

Everything you wrote is true.

I also would like to add that the SovietUnion who was not allie to Germany just took back the land what the Poles took from her in 1920.

I think that the land what the SU took back from Poland in 1939 has never been Polish land.

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by vorosilov

I think that the land what the SU took back from Poland in 1939 has never been Polish land.

Vorosilov, and I think you should take a few hours and continue to study history of Russian Empire and Rzeczpospolita [its part called Korona in particular]. If we followed your way of reasoning we'd come to conclusion that Crimea has never been Russian land.

Alex, the difference between the wrongs of Poland and those of the Soviets were like between sly dog and serial murderer. Please check for the numbers of Czechs/Slovaks who were killed in the 1938 takeover.

[vorosilov]

As I see Poland had a nonagression agreement with the Nazis way before the Ribentrop - Molotov Pact.

The Germans and the Poles annexed a country way before Germany invaded Poland and the SovietUnion took back her lost territorries in 1939.

I still don't see Poland and Nazi Germany as allies in their act to dismember Chechoslovakia.

But Michael insist that Germany and the SU were allies in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland and the SovietUnion retook the lost territorries from Poland in 1939.
(please advise that I don't use the word invasion)
The size of the territorry does not matter...

What logic is that?

[Zbyszek]

Originally posted by vorosilov

As I see Poland had a nonagression agreement with the Nazis way before the Ribentrop - Molotov Pact.

What logic is that?

The logic is very simple. The mentioned non agression pact contained no secret clauses implying attacking third parties.

You ask for differences - ask a lawyer about the difference between artful picking up your wallet and taking your life. Both acts are sinful, both are subject to punishment.

[vorosilov]

Originally posted by Zbyszek

Vorosilov, and I think you should take a few hours and continue to study history of Russian Empire and Rzeczpospolita [its part called Korona in particular]. If we followed your way of reasoning we'd come to conclusion that Crimea has never been Russian land.

I am happy to follow my good Polish friend's advise....I will.

The Poles are our very good friends as we learned in history classes in school.
They said that the Russians were our brothers....
Honestly speaking...We liked the Poles much more than the Russians and the reason behind it is that we know that you can always choose your friends but never you can choose your brother.

Ok Zbyszek, I will learn more about Polish history and specially about the Commonwealth of Poland and Lituania.

Isn't it possible that the land what the SU retook from Poland originally belonged to Lituania and only after the Union of the Poles and the Lituanians became the part of the Commonwealth? I know that Lituania had much larger territorries then Poland had before the Union.
Enlighten me regarding this matter please.

[Zbyszek]

To make it very short - in the act of Union of Lublin 1569, Ukraine was transferred to the Korona [Polish Crone], the Polish part of Rzeczpospolita. It was a peaceful takeover, it proceeded without any fights.
Please, do not think that I question current status of Ukraine.
The Polish administration of Ukraine lasted at least until the first partition of Rzeczpospolita 1772.
The May 3 constitution (1791) abolished any territorial division between Poland and Lithuania and proclaimed one homogeneous state called Rzeczpospolita.