WILL THERE BE AN ORANGE REVOLUTION IN RUSSIA?

[mikeaverko]

Cherniy:

I'm not so sure. Just look at the sort of Russians being propped in America. They're the Masha Gessen, Lilia Shevtsova types who have little credibility among the political mainstream in Russia.

Russia is way too politically advanced to have Brzezinskiite/Sorosian frauds manipulate the poliitcal situation in Russia. Keep in mind that when Kuchma was in office, the commonly held view among American elites was that Russia is more politically advanced than Ukraine. Now, they demagogically say that this has changed.

Btw, all isn't so well in Georgia since Saakashvili won a Soviet like tally of 96%. In fact, Georgia's
media and body politic is far less diverse than Russia's.

Only you wouldn't know it if you were to rely exclusively on Anglo-American mASS media.

Here's a great site where the truth is stated:

http://english.intelligent.ru/

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Truth about the so called "orange revolution"

http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start...09.html&e=7634

Orange Spin

In response to "Beating the Blues, Keeping the Orange Faith," an essay by Mariya Rasner on April 13.


Editor,
In her essay, Mariya Rasner shares the convoluted spin of her Ekho Moskvy employer. Rasner's vulgar anti-Russian caricaturing is not in sync with reality.

Note how Russocentric areas are described by her as poor and gloomy, unlike those which backed Ukrainian orange candidate Viktor Yushchenko. Never mind that many more individuals from Ukraine go to Russia than vice versa and that eastern Ukraine is socioeconomically wealthier than western Ukraine.

Tragically, Rasner's disingenuous propaganda has been readily accepted as reality in a Western mass media that blatantly ignored many particulars running contrary to the politically presented Potemkin village of free thinking pro-Western forces going up against sinister Moscow-backed Neanderthals.

As per the recent Ukrainian presidential elections, the Western election monitors mentioned in Rasner's article were overwhelmingly biased for Yushchenko and therefore not credible to serve as non-partisan observers. A good case in point being George Washington University Professor Taras Kuzio, who regularly gave one sided anti-blue (the color of the orange opposition) diatribes which at times appeared bigoted in the snide disdain shown for anything Russian or seen as being sympathetic to Russia. Kuzio served as an election observer for the OSCE. When appearing on the BBC and PBS, Kuzio and other like-minded individuals were rarely if ever challenged in the press, while the pro-Viktor Yanukovych view was politically censored in a Soviet manner.

Meanwhile, there was plenty of evidence showing orange fraud in Yushchenko strongholds. Besides CIS observers, those from the British Helsinki Human Rights Group and the Israeli based Study of the Commonwealth of Independent States and Eastern Europe are witnesses of this much covered-up fraud.

I hope that Russia never experiences the sort of deviant influence evident among some highly politicized Western "non-governmental organizations," which very much corrupted the political process in Ukraine. Simultaneously, I very much desire for Russia to become more closely linked with Western Europe and North America. Western interests are not best served when the likes of George Soros and Zbigniew Brzezinski play leading roles in formulating policies relating to Eastern and Central Europe.


Michael Averko

[Edited by mikeaverko on 8th May 2005 at 06:12]

[Mazepa]

Originally posted by Cherniy_Petka
American foreign policy doesn't include installing a puppet in Russia.

Yu. after all won the majority.

[Marita]

>American foreign policy doesn't include installing a puppet in Russia
But why not? They already have puppet president Putin. He declares him as a patriot but in fact he is not.
AGIBECKY
I'm Russian. I was speaking about my country. If you like Putin's appearance - that's up to you but it is not a political argument. A politician is to be judged not whether he is nice or ugly but by his activity, by what he is doing for his country. Am I wrong?

[AGIBECKY]

Marita,

Putin looks nice.
His recent visit to the Middle East was impressive as a Peacemaker. Russia may succeed to settle the differences in the Middle East where America has failed. Because, America is not an independent peacemaker. And the Arabs don't like or trust America.

I have also been advised to mind my words on this board, because someone told me that he has been embarrassed and harassed by Cherniy_Petka posing as SanRusDiego (RSD) and his allies on the http://www.ukraine.com and he did not want me to be insulted.

He is trying to give me some political education, so that we can be able to discuss political issues. He does not want me to be ignorant.

He even thought you were RSD's girlfriend?

[Cherniy_Petka]

Originally posted by AGIBECKY
Marita,

Putin looks nice.
His recent visit to the Middle East was impressive as a Peacemaker. Russia may succeed to settle the differences in the Middle East where America has failed. Because, America is not an independent peacemaker. And the Arabs don't like or trust America.

I have also been advised to mind my words on this board, because someone told me that he has been embarrassed and harassed by Cherniy_Petka posing as SanRusDiego (RSD) and his allies on the http://www.ukraine.com and he did not want me to be insulted.

He is trying to give me some political education, so that we can be able to discuss political issues. He does not want me to be ignorant.

He even thought you were RSD's girlfriend?

Etot chudak imeet nevrologicheskiye problemi... na Ukie.com on zavyot cebya OSINACHI, a zdec on AGIBECKY... choknotiy vapshe...

[Marita]

>He even thought you were RSD's girlfriend?
I have never seen him.

[AGIBECKY]

Dear Monsieur Cherniy_Petka,

you cannot intimidate me.

As long as I have the legitimate right to express my candid opinion.

I will express it.

You are not the owner of this forum.

You can use any local language you like to discriminate against me.
But God will also discriminate against those who discriminate against others.

Freedom of Expression is my basic human right.
And I will use it.

I still insist that AGIBECKY is not the same person as OSINACHI. We are friends, but we have our lives to live.
What if I say, you are Marita?

Why must you personalize and trivialize issues in an international forum of the global village.

Do you know who is reading you?

Please, let us discuss the topics and not personalities.

I raised a political issue.
What matters most is the importance, relevance and significance of the topic and not my identity.

Great minds discuss ideas
Gossips discuss personalities.

The state of Russia is more important than any individual.
Whether Cherniy_Petka or Marita, AGIBECKY or Osinachi.

Please, don't trivialize a very important political discussion on the possiblities and probabilities of Democratic changes in Russia.