China is going to replace Russia as superpower against USA?

[SanskyDiego]

Originally Posted by p_panzerschreck

And I won’t nod my head in agreement with you without a good reason. I live in Malaysia, I have the Muslim story and the Western story, and I am trying to see the difference. You by the way are supplying me with countless Western theory, thanks.

I am flattered by your invitation to join your anti-Arab club, but Malaysia, as chairman of NAM, wants to be neutral (it’s actually considered a side, I think)

How do you know that your sources are accurate? I asked you many times. And I am really interested in both side of the story, so I can create mine. How do you know that you are a pawn? I listen to your opinions and you listen to mine, that’s all.

I sense you are really growing up, and realize that name calling isn’t bringing you anywhere. I am proud of you son.

I'm not anti-Arab as much as I am anti-Islamist. Muslims have been hijacked by the desperation that grew out of the failure of pan-Arabic movements in the 50's and 60's. This despair has turned into blind obedience to an enormous Islamic Caliphate, which is the ultimate goal of the Jihadist movement. I offer you no invitation except to wake up and smell the burning bodies.

We'll talk about my sources on the other Open Board thread. Maybe I might be able to convince you of some things. How am I not a pawn? Well, in the grand power structure I am. But then again, 99.99% of us are. What I meant by pawn was that you obviously swallow anything anti-American without question. I just want you to realize that.

Hahahhah...growing up.... listen, it's clear you don't know me so I'll let you in on a secret: I can debate if I want to but I usually find arguing on the Net to be tedious and excruciatingly boring. To liven things up I often try to provoke people into making stupid claims/statements which in turn give me more ammunition and enjoyment. But if I want to be serious, I will be. I'm also not sure I qualify as your son, I do have eye lids you know. ;-)

[p_panzerschreck]

I'm not anti-Arab as much as I am anti-Islamist. Muslims have been hijacked by the desperation that grew out of the failure of pan-Arabic movements in the 50's and 60's. This despair has turned into blind obedience to an enormous Islamic Caliphate, which is the ultimate goal of the Jihadist movement. I offer you no invitation except to wake up and smell the burning bodies.

We'll talk about my sources on the other Open Board thread. Maybe I might be able to convince you of some things. How am I not a pawn? Well, in the grand power structure I am. But then again, 99.99% of us are. What I meant by pawn was that you obviously swallow anything anti-American without question. I just want you to realize that.

Hahahhah...growing up.... listen, it's clear you don't know me so I'll let you in on a secret: I can debate if I want to but I usually find arguing on the Net to be tedious and excruciatingly boring. To liven things up I often try to provoke people into making stupid claims/statements which in turn give me more ammunition and enjoyment. But if I want to be serious, I will be. I'm also not sure I qualify as your son, I do have eye lids you know. ;-)

Fair enough.

But how am I a pawn? If I was a pawn I would be listening to you, or I would have already blown myself up. How am I not a pawn? Well in the grand power structure I am.
The problem is no one really can realize that they are a pawn or not, not even you. And when on earth did I become an anti-American. I just don’t like some parts of America, which isn’t wrong, at anyway. What do you think? Should I love 100% of America to proof that I am an anti-American? I don’t think so. And how did you know that I swallowed everything anti-American without question? I said before, I hear both sides of the story, and after filtering and thinking, I create my side of the story, which is in the other thread.

You find cursing fun? That’s a rare hobby. But clever though, since no one knows who you really are. If it’s fun, let me try, you @$$clown, you loser and couldn’t even fuk your mum since your dik went lame.

[ANDY-J1]

Originally posted by SanskyDiego

I'm not anti-Arab as much as I am anti-Islamist. Muslims have been hijacked by the desperation that grew out of the failure of pan-Arabic movements in the 50's and 60's. This despair has turned into blind obedience to an enormous Islamic Caliphate, which is the ultimate goal of the Jihadist movement. I offer you no invitation except to wake up and smell the burning bodies.


This is rubbish like everything else you post on this forum and up until now you've been spouting this crap unchallenged-that's changing as of now. The Islamic world has a justifiable sense of grievance against the west given the fact that for the past forty odd years they have been interfering in the middle east politically and militarily. They condemn Islamic human rights abuses and use them as a pretext for war while failing to criticise Israel's human rights record.The following source outlines the occasions when the US vetoed or abstained from UN motions condemning Israel's conduct.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/p-neff-veto.html


That is a clear case of double standards and that is what underpins the Islamic sense of bitterness against the west. Lebanon was another glaring example when the US supposed to be involved in an impartial peace keeping mission supplied arms and intelligence to Christian militias who not surprisingly turned it against their Muslim compatriots. US support for Iran and Iraq in the gulf war,the list is endless so never mind any of your unfounded emotive anti-Islamic rhetoric.The west has been responsible for most of the burning bodies in the middle east and that has encouraged despair,mistrust and hostility on the part of the Islamic world.

[SanskyDiego]

Originally Posted by p_panzerschreck

Fair enough.

But how am I a pawn? If I was a pawn I would be listening to you, or I would have already blown myself up. How am I not a pawn? Well in the grand power structure I am.
The problem is no one really can realize that they are a pawn or not, not even you. And when on earth did I become an anti-American. I just don’t like some parts of America, which isn’t wrong, at anyway. What do you think? Should I love 100% of America to proof that I am an anti-American? I don’t think so. And how did you know that I swallowed everything anti-American without question? I said before, I hear both sides of the story, and after filtering and thinking, I create my side of the story, which is in the other thread.

You find cursing fun? That’s a rare hobby. But clever though, since no one knows who you really are. If it’s fun, let me try, you @$$clown, you loser and couldn’t even fuk your mum since your dik went lame.

Ok, let's put it this way, if some "news" source wrote that America had just bombed a day care center you would without a question accept it as fact. Blind obedience to anything that smudges America's standing, that's a pawn.

I find provoking people fun. ANDY-J is simple enough to provide me with plenty of fun to last me weeks, but I bring in other willing participants (as you were/are) when I have the chance. It livens things up.

[SanskyDiego]

Originally Posted by ANDY-J1

Originally posted by SanskyDiego

I'm not anti-Arab as much as I am anti-Islamist. Muslims have been hijacked by the desperation that grew out of the failure of pan-Arabic movements in the 50's and 60's. This despair has turned into blind obedience to an enormous Islamic Caliphate, which is the ultimate goal of the Jihadist movement. I offer you no invitation except to wake up and smell the burning bodies.


This is rubbish like everything else you post on this forum and up until now you've been spouting this crap unchallenged-that's changing as of now. The Islamic world has a justifiable sense of grievance against the west given the fact that for the past forty odd years they have been interfering in the middle east politically and militarily. They condemn Islamic human rights abuses and use them as a pretext for war while failing to criticise Israel's human rights record.The following source outlines the occasions when the US vetoed or abstained from UN motions condemning Israel's conduct.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/p-neff-veto.html


That is a clear case of double standards and that is what underpins the Islamic sense of bitterness against the west. Lebanon was another glaring example when the US supposed to be involved in an impartial peace keeping mission supplied arms and intelligence to Christian militias who not surprisingly turned it against their Muslim compatriots. US support for Iran and Iraq in the gulf war,the list is endless so never mind any of your unfounded emotive anti-Islamic rhetoric.The west has been responsible for most of the burning bodies in the middle east and that has encouraged despair,mistrust and hostility on the part of the Islamic world.

Yawn...BORING.

What were you trying to disprove? That Islamic movements rose out of the failure of the pan-Arabic nationalism of the 50's and 60's and especially after the defeats at the hands of the Israelis? That Islamic clerics didn't take a leading role in the development (or regression that is) of the region after the strongmen of the so-called "United Arab States" failed to create any cohesiveness and progress in the region? Try again, liar.

Morons like you who get sucked into the "blame the West" crowd are numerous and most of them don't have your "historian" credentials. hahahahahhahahahhaahhahaha.... Oh sh1t, I crack myself up.

To be honest, the British along with the Turks fuked the region from the get-go, but what I posted is WHY the movements have intensified in the past century. Your reasons are the "wah-wah, I have no brain, I will repeat BBC and CCN" analysis...that is the "scapegoat" mentallity of quasi-intellectual, anti-Western traitorous vermin such as yourself. When you're hanging from a piano wire I'll be toasting your death in the streets with the people who LOVE Western civlization, you uneducated servant. Leave the UK. Move to the ME. You'll have all the goats you can handle, taitor.

[ANDY-J1]

Originally posted by SanskyDiego


That were you trying to disprove? That Islamic movements rose out of the failure of the pan-Arabic nationalism of the 50's and 60's and especially after the defeats at the hands of the Israelis? That Islamic clerics didn't take a leading role in the development (or regression that is) of the region after the strongmen of the so-called "United Arab States" failed to create any cohesiveness and progress in the region? Try again, liar.


What I did prove was that there is a different perspective regarding the reasons for the rise of radical Islam that doesn't involve cosy simplistic explanations such as "Muslims have been hijacked by the desperation that grew out of the failure of pan-Arabic movements in the 50's and 60's. This despair has turned into blind obedience to an enormous Islamic Caliphate". An argument like that loses credibility when you consider that the west has interfered continualy in the middle east for over 4 decades usually supporting Israel and ignoring the aspirations of Muslims,sometimes,in the case of Iran and Iraq supporting two enemies at the one time in order to further their own strategic and economic ends,or in the case of Lebanon providing weaponry to Christian militias that they used to kill Muslims-the war in Iraq is just the latest in a series of political blunders in the middle east. Your explanation just wants to completely ignore all that,but the fact of the matter is that there is a connection between Islam's sense of grievance against the west that fuels radical Islamic terrorism and the interfence of the west in the affairs of the middle east. If the west wants to make progress in the middle east then there has to be an acceptance that that sense of grievance is justified and that the west has contributed to the state of affairs that exists.



Morons like you who get sucked into the "blame the West" crowd are numerous and most of them don't have your "historian" credentials. hahahahahhahahahhaahhahaha.... Oh sh1t, I crack myself up.

Do yourself a favour and forget about f*cking credentials and history degrees-debate,it's a discussion forum for debating viewpoints not for engaging in mindless personal abuse. It's more a case of looking at the facts and drawing the correct conclusions. If you want to challenge my argument go ahead.




To be honest, the British along with the Turks fuked the region from the get-go, but what I posted is WHY the movements have intensified in the past century. Your reasons are the "wah-wah, I have no brain, I will repeat BBC and CCN" analysis...that is the "scapegoat" mentallity of quasi-intellectual, anti-Western traitorous vermin such as yourself. When you're hanging from a piano wire I'll be toasting your death in the streets with the people who LOVE Western civlization, you uneducated servant. Leave the UK. Move to the ME. You'll have all the goats you can handle, taitor.


Aye aye we know all about that-piano wires,goats and quasi-thingumyjigs-we've seen it all before. Anyway to deal with the issue in question it's difficult for you to attribute the rise of radical Islam to anything other than the west's misguided policies in their dealings with the middle east. Muslims didn't develop a pathological hatred of the west for no reason-their attitudes are justified even if their terrorism is not.

[SanskyDiego]

I get so sick and tired of repeating myself to you, Andy, that I often wonder why you can't seem to take a hint. Do you want to know why I loath going into anything of substance with you? Simple. Unlike you, I take a mathematical approach to things. Logic, reason, those are the things that drive me. You lack any comprehension, probably stemming from the fact that you have absolutely NO formal education. There's nothing wrong with being a blue collar type of guy but I doubt you're a man and I doubt that you embody the principles held up by such men. You're a liar, through and through. That in combination with your lack of education (any reasoning or logic) make you annoying to talk to. A broken record and a brick wall could do a better job in talking with you. Er, actually, your imaginary "army" friends probably have a hell of a time with you eh? Alright, I'll humor you once more with a response because I'm feeling masochistic.

Grievances against the West are a smoke screen. Yes, Andy, a smoke screen. You think I don't get that support of Israel makes the US "the Great Satan"? Or that our dependence on fossil fuels has created a need to prop up governments that sell at a favorable discount bur are corrupt and wicked? Please. Geo-politics I understand, but that's not the reason for the buildup of the Islamist movement you fuking moron. Claim: "Muslims have been hijacked by the desperation that grew out of the failure of pan-Arabic movements in the 50's and 60's. " What you put forth are reasons why this has ACCELERATED in our lifetime, not a counter. The root cause of the emergence of Islam as the driving and UNIFYING force in the Arab world was the failure of any real Arab nationalist movement to take root. As perverse as it may seem, Saddam's Baathists were probably the closest the Arabs got to a nationalist movement, though it wasn't pan-Arabic in nature and instead relied on the familiar tribalism of Iraq. Anyway, without any "Arab unity" a large and widening gap began to form. Into that gap marched radical Islam, which began to act as the great unifier, the one and only thing (supposedly) that could bring Arabs together and keep them united to fight off "the infidels". They USED the surrounding political situation to their favor and stirred up the nationalist passions buried within each Arab but used ISLAM as the means to do this. Instead of love thy land it became love thy religion. See, the nationalists tried to do this by invading Israel twice. Twice they were shamed. Now here came these preachers offering a jihad against "the infidels" and promising "divine" victory. Islam became the glue, the motor. The West served as tinder for the wildfire that began to spread. Moreover, faggots like you only fueled them because they knew weak, effete, feminized cowards such as yourself would spring up all over the West and quickly attempt to submit and abandon Western interests in favor of "peaceful" coexistence. I scoff at suggestions that bowing out would change anything in that region or alleviate pressures on the West.

What misdealings are you talking about anyway? Only the US supports Israel. What do the Israelis have to do with you weenies in Europe? Support of Iran v Iraq? Hahahhahahahahahha... you sodding dipsh1t, Iran was propped up by the Soviets and Iraq by the Americans. Is that the big bad "West" boogeyman too? Oh, Lebanon...right...... yeah, I'm sure that Lebanon was definitely a rallying call for Islamist pigs except for the fact that this civil war had nothing to do with Western intervention and everything to do with the inability of the ARAB LEAGUE to stop the strife PLUS the Soviets were involved yet again, arming most of the Druz and Shia militias... Let's see, maybe you forgot that most of the policy decisions between 55-85 were made exclusively on the pretext of the theory of Soviet containment. The ME was just another battlefield but what's interesting is that they were as willing and capable of killing as any barbaric African nation was. This coming from the formerly enlightened Arabs...tsk tsk....

Your examples are as flimsy as ever, liar. Keep posting those lies Andy maybe one day you'll actually believe yourself into unexistence. You haven't changed one bit since 2001 when you first left your slime trail at this place. Even back then you were so worthless as to threaten to beat people up and post your anti-Western crappola. Oh liar, you make me smile.