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Old 3rd April 2006, 20:14
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Tiny states like Estonia or Latvia still have real resons to be afraid of Russia. Situation of Poland is quite different, though. Many young Poles learn Russian language voluntarily this time and have no prejudice against Russians who are nice people. The only awkward social problem is that Russians use vodka as a way to get more familiar with their Polish friends while Poles try hard to get rid of vodka as a national beverage.
Sometimes it gets confusing when a Russian or Belarussian male strongly suggests drinking a little in a workplace which is really not done in contemporary Poland.
Zbyszek, I can understand why Poles are cautious and reluctant to express their true feelings toward Russians openly. It's better for Poles to be diplomatic about it in case one day they must serve their Russian masters again.

In 3 April, 2006 TOL article by Dmitry Shlapentokh:
"Eurasianists – in contrast to Slavophiles, the traditional Russian nationalists of the 19th century – downplayed Russians' Slavic links. Russians were not pure Slavs, rather they represented a mixture of Slavic and non-Slavic, mostly Turkic, peoples. The non-Slavic minorities in the empire were closer to Russians than were Bulgarians, Czechs, or especially the “treacherous” Poles, who rose against Russian rule throughout the 19th century and beyond. "

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Old 3rd April 2006, 20:18
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Do you think tearing away of Baltic states in 1918 was "legal"?
Was the forced deportation of Baltic people to Siberia "legal"?

Everyone can see your hypocrisy and double standard defending Russians migration to the Baltic states while criticizing Chinese migration.

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Old 3rd April 2006, 23:29
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by Dmitry Shlapentokh
3 April, 2006

"...An essential nationalist slogan is that Russian nationalists should take care of Russians. In reality, however, this is hardly the case. There are Russian-speaking minorities with substantial enclaves in many states of the former USSR, for example, a considerable Russian-speaking colony – the majority ethnic Russians – in the Baltic states. Many of them have been discriminated against. Russian nationalists have looked on them as something like the Sudeten Germans and dreamed that Russians in Russia would rally to defend them; and they, in turn, would help Russia extend control over these states. Yet, despite much commotion in nationalist circles, most Russians in Russia have ignored their brethren. ...

Yeltsin and later Putin continued to surrender Russian influence, despite much talk. Finally, the entire Russian tradition had seen Russians as highly spiritualized and dedicated, if not to the public good (state or revolution), at least to literature, philosophy, and art. Here, too, Russian nationalists have been quite disappointed in the corruption, promiscuity, and utter materialism that have marked Russian society for the last 20 years. Everything is for sale: from teenage girls to government ministers. While becoming disillusioned about Russian intellectuals and bureaucracy, some nationalists put their hopes in the secret police and the army, the Holy Grail of the state. But no man on horseback has appeared, and even Putin, in whom they put so much hope in the beginning of his rule, has not met their expectations. ...

Spirituality and romantic love, embodied in “Turgenev’s girls,” the women of the classical Russian novelist who extolled the ideal woman ready for sacrifice and devotion, were an essential part of Russian nationalist discourse. This romantic vision nourished the view of Russians as spiritualized in contrast to the promiscuous West. And while present-day Russia can be seen, if not as a giant brothel – the image common during the Yeltsin era – then as a country full of dysfunctional families. ...

Slavdom with Russia as its center has practically disappeared. For some years most Slavic nations have preferred to seek their geopolitical or cultural affiliations in Western or Central Europe, often seeing Russia as a loser with no future. ...

But even these nationalists understand that the number of Russians is declining in both absolute and relative terms. And they might understand that Russians, following the global trend, are destined for absorption into non-European peoples, the choice being that between the Chinese or the Muslims, mostly of Turkic origin. ...

Another, much stronger trend emphasizes Russian nationalistic isolationism and separatism. Either movement could lead to Russia being torn apart, or at least fragmented into a kind of Holy Roman Empire. ..."
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Old 4th April 2006, 00:38
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Masters interchanged with slaves but we are on the par now

Oh My God! do you really think that Russia, while currently being unable to 'make order' in Chechnia will ever be any serious threat for Poland (only 40 mln people, seems like an error margin when counting Chinese lol?).
Please have in mind that Russians as people are really friendly for Poles (I suppose more actually that Poles for Russians). Both Slavic nations can quarrel about the past but the future is promising.
Maybe you do not know that Poles once succeded in taking Moscow, a feat which was not repeated neither by Napoleon nor by Hitler.
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Old 6th April 2006, 21:24
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Oh My God! do you really think that Russia, while currently being unable to 'make order' in Chechnia
Really? Russians seem to suggest that Russia is making a lot of massacres, Ooops I meant "progress", in Chechnia.

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Old 27th July 2006, 14:00
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Old 27th July 2006, 17:50
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Russia was a superpower, i would say not anymore perhaps, but still the only power can crush Uncle Sam. Chinese they may be catching up, still long way to go for them as many problems they have to solve domestically and internationally, and it is also unnecessary they will surpass Russia.
Russian always overestimate themself
It is time for Russian to reevaluate their own power now .

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