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Old 23rd November 2005, 13:47
derebail_33 derebail_33 is offline
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Exclamation hi mr panzerchrek and marita

i agree with you marita....

i still have a lot of dout wheather america is helping iraq.......
yeah according to g0123(whatever) american oil compainies taking control over iraqi oilfield .........is helping iraq because of the american there is virtual civil unrest in the country..... with terrorist strike in iraq everyday......but targetting whom everyone thinks about american's why........ it is the iraqi's themself for not fighting against america.. who accused saddam of ammasing weapons of mass destrusction actually compared to bush and saddam the saddam is better.....
he knows to handle his country properly... unlike anyone.....
did you see any such situation during his rule.... foeget the uprising etc which happened for a few days but compared to the current situation like suicide bombing.........(everydays why....)

and mr hero(g0123) your american friend what have done in veitnam nowadays people see american goverment advocating against the use of chemical weapons ,nuke weapons etc when they on;ly were the first one and probably the last one to use it they are very gross......in veitnam they used chemical weapons go to veitnam eventoday and you will know what i mean........

my go123 before doing anything first see the background details ok then comments this is not an insult but a suggestion....
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Old 23rd November 2005, 16:09
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Marita
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If Russia do the same as US to rescue those victim and to help
the world, I will change my impression of Russia, and call Russia:
a great country (I don't mind you sincere or not),
but you did nothing.



derebail_33
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I am not spokesman of US administration, why I have to explain
US policy, and I don't mean every thing done by US is right.
for instance, I think iraq war was unreasonable too,
But,generally, I believe US play a positive role in the world.
don't forget, German, France also oppose iraq war, but they
are still ally of US.
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Old 24th November 2005, 13:40
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Exclamation hi ya....

i know what mean ga001 but even german and france dont like america it is just because america is the market for their goods which means foreign income to them so obiously they wont oppose america even if they hate it......

i hope you understood what i mean
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Old 24th November 2005, 14:37
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Old 24th November 2005, 19:53
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Why you think China must challenge US?
As a Chinese, I don't think US as our enemy
American is our friend,they not only promote freedom and
democracy all over the world but also contribute a lot to
the world(though some action I don't agree).
Russia is a selfish country, they just care about their
own interest, and I feel severe nationalism in this forum.
It is dangerous.
Now US see China as a "stockholder", I think in future,
when China transform to democratic society, China and US
will become friend or even ally.
Perhaps you didn’t realize that America thinks differently. You as a Chinese should understand that it is your divine duty to influence others, like thousands and thousands of years ago. You said it yourself, America is promoting his own believe to the world, which isn’t wrong, but it has the capability to do so. Similarly, instead of following others, which also isn’t wrong, you should learn to promote your own believes. America is a strong country, and following its footstep might not make China as a superpower, because there will be only one superpower. You can think America as a friend, but who said friends couldn’t challenge friends? Without challenges, there would be progress, if you speak Chinese, you should know the idiom, “yo zing zheng, cai yo zing bu.”
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Old 24th November 2005, 20:02
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every country has its own interest,
but a responsible country will not only concentrate
on their own interest.
for example, South Asia tsunami last year, every country
donate a lot to help those victim, Russia didn't donate
even a penny, but the donation from US rank the first.
and US army take the largest action after WWII to rescue
residents there.
US spend a lot of money to help poor country every year,
and these years US spend 15 billion to help Africa resist HIV.
and the individual donation from US citizen even larger than
government donation.
I don't think a country like that as our enemy.
of course, US often criticize China of its human right,
freedom, democracy status, but in these sector, China do have
some disadvantages.
And again perhaps you didn’t realize the state of Russia now. Do you think Russia, as the former superpower, has the capability to donate such amounts of money? The Russian administration is rather corrupted, I know, but it doesn’t mean that Russia isn’t good, or in your sense, great country. The US was able to deploy those troops to save the victims, but other countries can’t. Lets say you are poor, and go donating large sums of money, what will happen? Yes you might save a life, but you will kill your entire family.
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Why make it fair.
By being unfair,
The world will be fair.
Communism is the alliance between lower-middle class people and workers to overcome the parasitic capitalist exploiter who lives off the fruits of the small people and accumulates a wealth so large without being able to appreciate its value.
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Old 25th November 2005, 02:46
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1>China do has a glorious past, but now we are not superpower yet.
we should learn more than teach. Freedom and democracy are the trend
of the world, the only thing China have to do NOW is to embrace this trend. BTW, what "believes" do you think we can promote to the world?
Confucianism? I don't believe it myself:-).
"challenges" friend to friend? yes!
"challenges" enemy to enemy? no!
2>China is not so rich either, but at that time after tsunami,
more than half of Beijing denizen donate money.
donate more or less is the affair of wealth.
whether donate is the affair of attitude to others.
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