China is going to replace Russia as superpower against USA?

[SanskyDiego]

Originally Posted by p_panzerschreck

First of all, I couldn’t even hear you, if know what I mean. Secondly, I pray that China would never ever be like America. Read my other post, SANSKY, about those teenage problems, and you shall know what I am saying.


A friend? Don’t be silly. If China is as friendly as Britain, China will always stay in the shadows, and support silly wars. America will do its best to stop China to become a superpower, how could America be a true friend to China?

I don't know what you're saying because I can't understand your English. Maybe Russian? No, you don't know that either.

What you can't admit to is that you're a idiot racist, much like your beloved Nazis. I find it ironic that you pick a German name and sound off about your "divine duty" to influence the world. Can anyone say NAZI SCUMBAG? I can.

Believe it or not, ass-hole, the majority of the American business community supports your country, but only for your cheap labor. The problem is that long term strategic goals are being overlooked. I don't trust your government, which represents morons like yourself, any more than I trust the North Koreans. One day the West will have to deal with you and that's what scares me......

[derebail_33]

what you said about panzerchrek is rude and cold hearted and far his english is concerned it is good....

look man many people have their own ideologies you cant change it rather you can convince them thats all....

hey man..... being a nazi does not neccessarily mean you have to be like them got it....
for exmaple do you shindler (a nazi) he helped many jews from the concentration camp why....he is a nazi...
he doesnt have to care a damm for the jews but he did from his own heart thats alll...

yean i also support nazi what will do nothing but say some things thats all...

being a nazi supporter doesnt mean you have be like them.....

i like their army,developments in various fields,technologyetc....

the main problem of the nazi was their leader hitler was a racist and was power greedy thats the first and last problem......



what do you say my panzerchrek.....i support you always cause you made understand a few important details of the nazi through our discussions......

and no one has rights to call you names


heil hitler

[cepguu]

Santoshkii:

Your anger appears somewhat excessive. But I don't wish to take issue with you on that. There appears to be an assumption upon which you may have based many of your fierce opinions. You attributed most of your perceived problems v.s. China towards the alleged lingering communism. That assumption is highly debateable. In fact I would say it's entirely faulty.

Many who have been to both Moscow and Beijing, who are not marred by antiquated ideological baggages, would see the plain fact that, in terms of daily reality of business or bureaucratic habits, the difference between the two places are minimal. A certain entrenched corruption, massive reallocation of social resources, often through less than honorable means, a certain vitality, if somewhat tainted by evil and voracious greed, a form of pragmatic and "survival of the fittest" realism, an acute ideological vacuum, a profound indifference towards political debates of the "main stream" kind. This is the truth, regardless of the fact that Russia managed to build its "parliamentary democracy" and China hung on to the red flag, and regardless of skinheads beating black students in Moscow, or angry youth throwing eggs on Japanese advertisements in China.

It is a big surprise that, whereas a good part of the world had been forced by circumstances into a sort of "post-ideology" period. The masses of the west, especially of insulated America, still ruminate within all those "pre-ideological" feelings of insecurity and paranoid anger. Could it be that the sheltered people of the west, having become accustomed for too long in this unquestioned assumption of affluence and superiority, suddenly find it terrifying that they too, must drop their collective air and compete for bread with all those yellow or dark skin uneducated hardworking crude unscrupulous peasants of the Third World who are suddenly everywhere?

The US government assumes that there is still some singular ideology guiding all those billions of Chinese peasants cooking MooGoo Chicken in dark alleys and assembling computer chips for $.50 an hour. They assume that a regular small time commersant in Russia gives a **** about "Color Revolution or Putin's Authoritariannism" or f---ing "middle-class values". They assume that all of the middle west are directed by a single headquarter of Islamic mullahs plotting the dustruction of New York City. One can't blame the mass in the US for buying these assumptions. The entire media, education system, political debate, pump these drivels into people's ears endlessly. And you consider yourself blessed and free and independent thinking.

For a reality check, brother, go one hour south and check up the Mexican American border, man. Don't assume, don't judge, for a minute. Just watch. I know you won't like what you see. But that's a microcosm for the New World. Yes, you are absolutely correct that there is a crucially racial element in this big picture.
The Chinese in the world are what Mexicans are on the californian borders. What are you gonna do? Nuke them for coming over to earn a fe pennies? For selling MooGoo Chicken? Slowly, slowly, the west, or the white superior race, if you will, would be diluted or drown in this merciless process. It is in part because they lack the conceptual framework to grasp the essence of the new situation. Look at France. Or look at Isreal.
It would be much simpler, wouldn't it, if there were to be a singular Lenin or Guevarra now calling for the overthrow of the west by the colored workers, if there is a clearly visible enemy. But no, the elites of the western country are not champians of the white race. And the peasants of China are not going to take up arms against America. Mark my word, they won't. There could be a war and China will lose and will have a new "democratic government" and the Chinese peasants will still flood to California, to Russia, selling MooGoo Chicken. Same with the Arabs, the Turks, the Indians. The chessboars is all messed up. Old posturing of Good v.s. Evil won't work any more. You don't want to face the new world, then go on and create more Iraqs. It will deplete the resource of the US. The new world will only ascend faster.

Who is to blame? Who created this mess in the first place. Two hundred years ago, the Chinese are ploughing their land in China. The Indians are doing their yogas. The Russians have their tsars and arts and slaves, and great literature. It is Europe, the west, who went and force everyone to open their doors, to trade, to work in factories, to submit to "European Civilization". Then the revolution of Russia. Then the rise of America. And the downfall of the colored races into misery and inferiority. Commies and Capitalists are both fruits of the west. I don't applaude this new world. But it's already a fact of life.The white Europeans stirred up the soup. Now drink the soup. Face the consequence.

[Velu]

Who is to blame? Who created this mess in the first place. Two hundred years ago, the Chinese are ploughing their land in China. The Indians are doing their yogas. The Russians have their tsars and arts and slaves, and great literature. It is Europe, the west, who went and force everyone to open their doors, to trade, to work in factories, to submit to "European Civilization". Then the revolution of Russia. Then the rise of America. And the downfall of the colored races into misery and inferiority. Commies and Capitalists are both fruits of the west. I don't applaude this new world. But it's already a fact of life.The white Europeans stirred up the soup. Now drink the soup. Face the consequence.

---Posted by cepgu

Beautiful writing! And it is the fact!

This is reality, though not a mess!

[p_panzerschreck]

I don't know what you're saying because I can't understand your English. Maybe Russian? No, you don't know that either.

What you can't admit to is that you're a idiot racist, much like your beloved Nazis. I find it ironic that you pick a German name and sound off about your "divine duty" to influence the world. Can anyone say NAZI SCUMBAG? I can.

Believe it or not, ass-hole, the majority of the American business community supports your country, but only for your cheap labor. The problem is that long term strategic goals are being overlooked. I don't trust your government, which represents morons like yourself, any more than I trust the North Koreans. One day the West will have to deal with you and that's what scares me......

I really like your way of escaping facts, by saying you couldn’t understand.

Nothing more to say, read other people posts and then try to realize your mistakes.
An since your English is so good, why not tell me which part isn’t clear enough and I will clarify for your sake.

[SanskyDiego]

Originally Posted by derebail_33

what you said about panzerchrek is rude and cold hearted and far his english is concerned it is good....

look man many people have their own ideologies you cant change it rather you can convince them thats all....

hey man..... being a nazi does not neccessarily mean you have to be like them got it....
for exmaple do you shindler (a nazi) he helped many jews from the concentration camp why....he is a nazi...
he doesnt have to care a damm for the jews but he did from his own heart thats alll...

yean i also support nazi what will do nothing but say some things thats all...

being a nazi supporter doesnt mean you have be like them.....

i like their army,developments in various fields,technologyetc....

the main problem of the nazi was their leader hitler was a racist and was power greedy thats the first and last problem......



what do you say my panzerchrek.....i support you always cause you made understand a few important details of the nazi through our discussions......

and no one has rights to call you names


heil hitler

I have all the right to call anyone here names just as they have the right to do the same to me. We're all big boys here aren't we?

Being a Nazi is loaded bag, filled with sh1t. National socialism, as an ethos, was horribly inept. You praise it because you and this Chinese dipsh1t know no better. For example, people also praise Stalinism as the means by which CCCP began to compete with the Western powers. While there is truth in this the fact that Stalinism and Hiterlism(Nazism) were both counterproductive to HUMANITY is undeniable. Only simple minded fools, like neo-Nazis and neo-Communists, argue otherwise. Their "advances" in industry were a farse, created by the overbloated military-industrial complex each regime built to support itself with.

If you're a neo-Nazi and Russian I claim that's the most agregious outrage. Anyone like that should immediately kill themselves and take panzerfag along for the ride.

[SanskyDiego]

Originally Posted by cepguu

Santoshkii:

Your anger appears somewhat excessive. But I don't wish to take issue with you on that. There appears to be an assumption upon which you may have based many of your fierce opinions. You attributed most of your perceived problems v.s. China towards the alleged lingering communism. That assumption is highly debateable. In fact I would say it's entirely faulty.

Actually not. You misunderstood me. Communism is but one factor in China's little game. What I actually wonder about is how the West could be passively supporting the birth of its gollum.... look at panzerfag's own words: "divine destiny". Doesn't this remind you of something? If you're into US history you might recognize the term "Manifest Destiny". Now think about the connection. The US went westward, getting rid of the Indians. The Chinese will go where, Sergei? Only one way left, and that's north.

Originally Posted by cepguu

Many who have been to both Moscow and Beijing, who are not marred by antiquated ideological baggages, would see the plain fact that, in terms of daily reality of business or bureaucratic habits, the difference between the two places are minimal. A certain entrenched corruption, massive reallocation of social resources, often through less than honorable means, a certain vitality, if somewhat tainted by evil and voracious greed, a form of pragmatic and "survival of the fittest" realism, an acute ideological vacuum, a profound indifference towards political debates of the "main stream" kind. This is the truth, regardless of the fact that Russia managed to build its "parliamentary democracy" and China hung on to the red flag, and regardless of skinheads beating black students in Moscow, or angry youth throwing eggs on Japanese advertisements in China.

The similarities are only thus because of the legacy of communism. Capitalism and actual "sruvival of the fittest" mentallity are both foreign in Russia. Only 15% of the population actually understands these two points, and those are the ones with the money. Is it a coincidence?

As for the rest: corruption, ideological vacuum, apathy, etc, well, guess what, all of that can be traced to communism and its oh-so grand legacy of grandfathering and breast feeding the population. Without the teet of the state everyone sh1t their pants, looking up at the sky with arms outstretched wondering why the bread wasn't coming down. It's sad that a nation of such potential was enervated in such a degree, don't you think?

Originally Posted by cepguu

It is a big surprise that, whereas a good part of the world had been forced by circumstances into a sort of "post-ideology" period. The masses of the west, especially of insulated America, still ruminate within all those "pre-ideological" feelings of insecurity and paranoid anger. Could it be that the sheltered people of the west, having become accustomed for too long in this unquestioned assumption of affluence and superiority, suddenly find it terrifying that they too, must drop their collective air and compete for bread with all those yellow or dark skin uneducated hardworking crude unscrupulous peasants of the Third World who are suddenly everywhere?

Of course. The myth of American supremacy has already been shattered not in war but in education and the globalization movement. Why pay some blue collar dumb ass in the states to do a job that some Indonesian peasant can do for 1/1000 of the cost. Most Americans who have a brain understand that the future lays with education and not protectionism...unfortuantely, they are a minority.

But competition isn't what I'm worried about, Sergei. I think you know that.

Originally Posted by cepguu

The US government assumes that there is still some singular ideology guiding all those billions of Chinese peasants cooking MooGoo Chicken in dark alleys and assembling computer chips for $.50 an hour. They assume that a regular small time commersant in Russia gives a **** about "Color Revolution or Putin's Authoritariannism" or f---ing "middle-class values". They assume that all of the middle west are directed by a single headquarter of Islamic mullahs plotting the dustruction of New York City. One can't blame the mass in the US for buying these assumptions. The entire media, education system, political debate, pump these drivels into people's ears endlessly. And you consider yourself blessed and free and independent thinking.

You're exaggerating, how quaint. What you left out is that the people of those nations are the indirect targets and that, just as in the United States, a small cabal of about a hundred actually controls the lives of the majority. A small group of mullahs DOES control the middle east. A small group of fascists does control North Korea, China and Venezuela. A quasi-leftist, quasi-rightist, quasi-freemarket, quasi-liberal regime does control Russia. Are you actually so naive as to believe that the American public is the ONLY brainwashed people? Hahhahahah... Oh come on Sergei, you watch foreign "news" don't you? I can't tell the difference between them CNN, Fox, Al-Jazeera, BBC, NTV, Channel 1, Univision etc etc anymore. I guess it's whose bullsh1t you're willing to swallow. Because you know you are swallowing someone's crap, just witch ass hole is it coming out of?

I am blessed and free thinking. At least my government defends my right to say whatever the fuk I want. Have you ever tried to put a "Putin is a thief" banner near the Kremlin? Or how about: "Chinese Communist Party Rapes Tibet" in Tiananmen? I wonder how many protestors get to surround the house of the president and shout that he's a bloody murderer.

What you consider freedom I consider indentured servitude. I'm sure you have the same opinion of Americans, but hey, I respectfully disagree and think you're way off your rocker.

Originally Posted by cepguu

For a reality check, brother, go one hour south and check up the Mexican American border, man. Don't assume, don't judge, for a minute. Just watch. I know you won't like what you see. But that's a microcosm for the New World. Yes, you are absolutely correct that there is a crucially racial element in this big picture.
The Chinese in the world are what Mexicans are on the californian borders. What are you gonna do? Nuke them for coming over to earn a fe pennies? For selling MooGoo Chicken? Slowly, slowly, the west, or the white superior race, if you will, would be diluted or drown in this merciless process. It is in part because they lack the conceptual framework to grasp the essence of the new situation. Look at France. Or look at Isreal.
It would be much simpler, wouldn't it, if there were to be a singular Lenin or Guevarra now calling for the overthrow of the west by the colored workers, if there is a clearly visible enemy. But no, the elites of the western country are not champians of the white race. And the peasants of China are not going to take up arms against America. Mark my word, they won't. There could be a war and China will lose and will have a new "democratic government" and the Chinese peasants will still flood to California, to Russia, selling MooGoo Chicken. Same with the Arabs, the Turks, the Indians. The chessboars is all messed up. Old posturing of Good v.s. Evil won't work any more. You don't want to face the new world, then go on and create more Iraqs. It will deplete the resource of the US. The new world will only ascend faster.

What's your point? That the business community wants illegals in here so they prop up bottom lines? No sh1t Sherlock. Maybe you still have a career as a detective in you. Economic realities in our globalized society don't escape me, Sergei. Like I said, the only thing we need China for is the mass labor they provide. The headaches that go along with letting them fatten up is what I'm worried about.

You really think the Chinese government can't do anything to rile up nationalist fervor in the masses (and plenty of them) to try for an expansionist push? Don't be so naive. What's the difference between China of today and Japan of 1938? Germany? Stalin's CCCP? America in its drive westward? Are we to truly think history will stop repeating itself? That a nation of uneducated peasants can't be controlled into doing what the government elite wants? You yourself claim that the US was lead into war through ruses that tricked an "advanced" Western populace. Then why is it unthinkable for a doomsday scenario involving the broadening ambitions of the eastern dragon?

What will be the face of the New World Order, Sergei? 1984? Oceania, Eurasia? You underestimate those within the western world who still have designs on what we want the future to look like. There's more than one way to skin a cat, Sergei.

Originally Posted by cepguu

Who is to blame? Who created this mess in the first place. Two hundred years ago, the Chinese are ploughing their land in China. The Indians are doing their yogas. The Russians have their tsars and arts and slaves, and great literature. It is Europe, the west, who went and force everyone to open their doors, to trade, to work in factories, to submit to "European Civilization". Then the revolution of Russia. Then the rise of America. And the downfall of the colored races into misery and inferiority. Commies and Capitalists are both fruits of the west. I don't applaude this new world. But it's already a fact of life.The white Europeans stirred up the soup. Now drink the soup. Face the consequence.

Hah... I doubt you believe it's all that simple.

The NWO can be influenced and we're still FAR from a final reckoning. The future is an open book with pages yet to be created. It is what WE will make it. As a smart guy, I think you understand.

I enjoyed this chat, better than our other exchanges in the past.