
2nd August 2006, 23:07
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Originally Posted by henrylee100
Depending on how you define terrorism one might argue that Israel is a terrorist state founded by zionistic terrorists who staged a number of terrorist attacks against the provisional british administration in Palestine between the two world wars including the infamous bobming of the King David hotel in Jerusalem...
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I define terrorism as:
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n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear
[Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University]
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In light of this definition, the King David Hotel was of strong military/governmental value:
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In 1938, the Mandatory government requisitioned the entire southern wing of the hotel, and housed the military command and the Mandatory government secretariat there. The British chose the King David for its central location and because it was easy to guard. They built a military communications center in the hotel basement and, for security reasons, added a side entrance linking the building to an army camp south of the hotel. Fewer than a third of the rooms were reserved for civilian use.
[Source: The Bombing of the King David Hotel]
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Futhermore, this `Zionist terror' incident was roundly condemed by Jewish leaders:
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The Jewish leadership publicly condemned these attacks. The Jewish agency expressed "their feelings of horror at the base and unparalleled act perpetrated today by a gang of criminals".
[Source: Wikipedia: King David Hotel Bombing]
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The heads of the Jewish Agency were stunned. They feared that the British would adopt even more severe retaliatory measures than on Black Sabbath, and hastened to denounce the operation in the strongest terms. The statement they issued the following day expressed "their feelings of horror at the base and unparalleled act perpetrated today by a gang of criminals." Even David Ben-Gurion, who was then in Paris, joined the chorus of condemnation, and in an interview to the French newspaper 'France Soir', declared that the Irgun was "the enemy of the Jewish people".
[Source: The Bombing of the King David Hotel]
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At this point, several questions must be asked:- How many terror attacks have the Zionists carried out? How many have the Arabs/`Palestinians' committed?
- How many terror attacks have been condemned by the Israeli government/people? How many by the Arab/`Palestinian' governments/people?
- How many times has the Israeli government deliberately targeted civilians to achieve a political or religious goal? How many times have the Arabs/`Palestinians'?
Israel has not, is not, and will never be a `terrorist' state.
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Originally Posted by henrylee100
...so basically Israel's now getting their own s.h.i.t thrown right back at them by Hamaz, Hezzbolla and the likes of them.
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I don't seem to recall Israel firing thousands of anti-personnel rockets into heavily populated civilian centers of Southern Lebanon or Gaza. Nor do I recall Israel kidnapping Lebanese or `Palestinian' `soldiers' and holding them for ransom.
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Originally Posted by henrylee100
It's stupid to treat people like scum for decades and expect them to never fight back.
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Yes, the Arabs treat `Palestinians' much better than the Israelis: 
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After the 1948 war hundreds of thousands of Arab Palestinians ended up displaced. Many Arab countries refused to accept these refugees and the few who did treated them like second class citizens. Several Arab nations have had boycotts against the Palestinians, and many more have expelled Palestinians throughout the years.
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In Lebanon...hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are stateless and over half live in overcrowded camps. The right to work is severely restricted, and massive poverty has become the norm. The situation of the Palestinians in Lebanon deteriorated steadily in the wake of the expulsion of PLO guerrillas following the 1982 Israeli invasion. By some accounts, of the 375,218 Palestinians registered as refugees with UNRWA in Lebanon, only some 200,000 remain; others have fled from the inhospitable conditions that successive Lebanese governments have sustained over the last two decades.
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In Egypt...Palestinians experienced worsening treatment after the signing of the peace treaty with Israel in 1978. According to one study, Palestinian students were, until 1978, "treated like the Egyptians who received free education in schools, universities and institutes." Then the government gradually began to impose hard currency tuition fees for Palestinians, treating them as foreigners, and "banned Palestinian students from joining colleges of medicine, pharmacy, economics, political science, and journalism."
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More...examples of punitive treatment of Palestinians as a byproduct of regional politics include Kuwait's expulsion of tens of thousands of long-term residents in the wake of the 1991 Gulf war (leaving the Gazans among them who carried Egyptian travel documents with nowhere to go because the Egyptian government denied them entry), and the Libyan government's move in 1995 to demonstrate its displeasure with Arafat's peace negotiations with Israel by not renewing the one-year residency visas of some 30,000 Palestinians and beginning summary deportations.
[Source: Arab Treatment of Palestinians]
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Compare that to:
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Arab citizens of Israel are Arabs who are citizens of the State of Israel. Israeli Arabs are full citizens of the State of Israel, with equal protection under the law, and full rights of due process, though like minority populations in many countries, Israeli Arabs face significant challenges within the broader society - which is made more complex by the fact that they are Palestinians and have many ties, including family ties, to Palestinians in the West bank and Gaza.
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Most Israeli Arabs, including 170,000 Bedouin, are descendants of the 150,000 Arabs who remained within Israel's borders during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and of the Wadi Ara Palestinians who came under Israeli jurisdiction as part of a territory exchange under the 1949 Armistice Agreement with Jordan. As many as 200,000 others have emigrated into Israel from the Gaza Strip and West Bank, receiving citizenship under family-unification provisions.
[Source: Wikipedia: Arab citizens of Israel]
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