The Cold War II Has Officially Begun

[GHOST OF RONBO]

I guess this invasion marks the official end of the era of good feeling between the USA and Russia...and the beginning of the Cold War II. I can't wait to read the New York Times to be informed that it was all "our fault."



"You got that George? You turned me into Stalin! It's all your fault! Don't believe me? Well read the front page of the New York Times. I hope you like The Putin Doctrine."

But the big international news—even overshadowing the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics—is the first battle of Cold War II: a small war that is starting to flare up between Russia and Georgia, as Russia responds to a Georgian assault on a rebel province by sending in Russian tanks. Sound familiar? Sending in Russian tanks was the Soviets' preferred solution in Hungary, in Czechoslovakia, and in Afghanistan.

Call this the Putin Doctrine. The old Brezhnev Doctrine asserted Russia's prerogative to send in the tanks to restore Communist rule in any of the Soviet Union's Eastern European satellites. The new Putin Doctrine apparently asserts the right to interfere in other countries' affairs and even send in the tanks in order to maintain a dominant Russian influence over the governments of the former Soviet republics.

America has formed an alliance with Georgia and has even been attempting to induct the small country into NATO. This conflict will be a test of how willing and able the United States is to stand by its new allies.

[Ivan_25]

Just facts:

1) Georgia is killing citizens. For what reason? I don't oppose that the Georgians have the right to restore order. Ok. But why to kill ordinary people?

2) Russia has a peacekeeping mandate there that has been issued by the international community in 1994. The task of peacekeepers anywhere in the world is to prevent violence, no matter, who's doing it -- the Ossetians or the Georgians. Isn't it? When somebody is attacking the peackeeping forces it means that he is acting against international community. Or I missed anything?

[STritonE]

Ivan_25, you right.
But I as russian want to know: does americans bielive yelow press which accuses Russia of all. Whether we can count on prudence of Americans and on their help to help to overpersuade those who considers Russia as an aggressor?
The facts? Easy.
1. Refugees in overwhelming majority run to Russia.
2. The Georgian refugees, hold a meeting near to administration of the president of Georgia, demanding the answer what for it has made it.
3. In Vladikavkaz the hot line for refugees and their relatives is opened: +7(8672)250343, +7(8672)250340 (please, these phones for refugees, not for the information).
4. Russia does not admit the Georgian armies to South Ossetia to protect their inhabitants (as is known, 08.08.08 Georgian MLRS "Grad" have opened fire on Tskhinvali).
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[Ivan_25]

Originally Posted by STritonE

Ivan_25, you right.
But I as russian want to know: does americans bielive yelow press which accuses Russia of all. Whether we can count on prudence of Americans and on their help to help to overpersuade those who considers Russia as an aggressor?
The facts? Easy.
1. Refugees in overwhelming majority run to Russia.
2. The Georgian refugees, hold a meeting near to administration of the president of Georgia, demanding the answer what for it has made it.
3. In Vladikavkaz the hot line for refugees and their relatives is opened: +7(8672)250343, +7(8672)250340 (please, these phones for refugees, not for the information).
4. Russia does not admit the Georgian armies to South Ossetia to protect their inhabitants (as is known, 08.08.08 Georgian MLRS "Grad" have opened fire on Tskhinvali).
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Well,
it is maybe not the most important thing for met to know what others think. To be honest, I also don't have a fuill picture, so it's much more important for me to understand what is really going on.

I just paid attention to the facts which are somehow being missed in the mainstream western media.

[Ivan_25]

One of the american citizens which survived from georgian agression,what you think? - Yahoo! Answers

what do you think about this?

[GHOST OF RONBO]

What's the problem, Ivan? I just quoted the New York Times. The Russian invasion of Georgia is clearly the fault of George Bush. Putin wanted to be an Enlightened Russian tyrant like Catherine The Great, but Bush and his policy to expand NATO east caused Putin to become Stalin and invade Stalin's homeland.

I hope I'm clear...

Others have different opinions...



Russia's Invasion Same as Hitler's

Monday, August 11, 2008 11:44 AM

By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann Article Font Size

On Oct. 3, 1938, Adolf Hitler's armies marched into Sudetenland, a part of Czechoslovakia. Germany said it was responding to separatist demands from the large German population that lived there and that she was merely honoring their desire for reunion with Germany.


Hitler's tanks took over a vital part of an independent country that had largely rejected his overtures and allied itself with the West. Neither Britain nor France nor the United States did a thing to stop him.


On Aug. 7, 2008, Vladimir Putin's armies marched into South Ossetia, a part of Georgia. Russia said it was responding to separatist demands from the large Russian population that lived there and that she was merely honoring their desire for reunion with Russia.


Putin's tanks took over a vital part of an independent country that had largely rejected his overtures and allied itself with the West. Neither Britain nor France nor the United States did a thing to stop him.


Encouraged by his occupation of Sudetenland, Hitler continued his designs on Czechoslovakia itself and invaded the rest of the nation a few months later.


Will history continue to repeat itself?


Georgia is one of the two countries that have split off from the old Soviet Union and most firmly reached out to the West. Now Putin is testing whether the West will respond to an overt Russian military attack on a part of Georgia, doubtless paving the way for a full scale invasion, perhaps in the coming days. One immediate Russian move would be to use its newfound military leverage to force Georgia to give up Abkhazia, another province with a large Russian population.


Russia has encouraged migration by ethnic Russians into its satellite empire ever since Stalin's days and now is using the provinces with large Russian populations to foment discord in nations that lean to the West.


The United States and the European Union must not turn away at this crucial moment in history. The U.S. should take visible steps to bolster Georgia, including the dispatch of supplies, materials, and other manifestations of our determination not to let this nation be invaded.


Russia's goal in this imperialism is to intimidate any nation on its borders into rejecting overtures from the West and to try to prove that the West will offer no real protection against Russian military designs.


NATO should speed consideration of Georgia's application for admission and should extend its security umbrella to include the struggling democracy.


If the United States appeases Russia now, it will pay the same price British Prime Minister Nevelle Chamberlain paid in the 1930s. This invasion must not be allowed to stand or, at the very least, it must be contained to south Ossetia and not allowed to lap over into the rest of Georgia.

[STritonE]

...Damn registration. I hate it.

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And what do you think for what NATO were created? The European Union is already independent organization and consequently arises this question. What a reason to create one more union and obviously military direction? Against whom this friendship?
...Before Putin and Medvedev's appear (especially after crisis during rebuilding) in the USA were quiet. All was democratic. But Putin who has started to lift economy of Russia and in the USA is crying: "Russia not the democratic country! It is necessary to interfere urgently!". Interesting concurrence don't you?

Georgia is occasion of the USA to carp at Russia once again. ...I don't cease to be surprised to cynicism of some vermins in the American government having with greater influence and able to knit verbal laces about "democracy". ...Poor Iraq and Yougoslaviya. (((