28th January 2002, 00:02
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http://historicaltextarchive.com/lettis/nov2.htm
You all nazis (capitalists) like to talk how many people communism killed, well here we see, what you did. On this site, we see the true truth, what fasizm does, fasizm and nacionalism (that is capitalism), should be in domain only for defending their nation in their country and not going in other countries and kill people. Well check out the link and read some texts, you will see what they did to inocent people.
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28th January 2002, 00:37
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http://www.hungary.org/users/hipcat/1956.htm These events illustrate what communism did to people that wanted their freedom (and what NATO did not to help them). But finally they won, and they will soon be member of NATO. I was a just little kid but "Budapest 1956" stayed in my memory, I have no idea why. 
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28th January 2002, 00:45
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Hallo Rikbe, How are you? How is Neva doing? Hungarian uprising... Hmmmm.. It is unclear to me what happened there. It is true, that the old regime, the fascists were also behind it. And the leader of one of the armed "revolutionery" group was a convicted murderer. You might have seen his photograph. He had one wodden leg. Prisons were opened, criminals were freed. What is your opinion about it?
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28th January 2002, 02:39
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Hello Vorosilov,
I am doing fine but Neva has problems to get the necessary papers for her visa to come back. One paper is missing, a certificate of good conduct. OVIR should deliver it but they say they don't deliver it to private persons. So she is trying to get it by some organisation or company. About Budapest. As I said I was a little kid but for one reason of another it stayed din my memory. Maybe my parents had a for me scaring reaction at the time (the memory of W.W.II was still present). I think there was also a song about. Later came other events, the Berlin wall, the Spring of Prague. As all information came from Western side I doubt my information is correct  . About 20 - 25 years ago, I read an article in "Reader's Digest", I don't recall exactly the tittle but it was something like "Why the USSR will fall apart". It linked many events - like Hungary 1956 - and explained that the different nations od the Warsaw pact would finally revolt against the USSR, together with the Muslim states. As it was written by an American I did not take it very seriously, it smelled a little as "Taking ones wishes for reality". It 1998 I remembered it and regretted not to have kept it.So my opinion is that even if there were criminals and fascists involved, they could not do it without the support of the people and I think they had it. I remember that Russian soldiers themselves did not understand what they were doing there, using tanks against other citizens of the USSR. The Soviets did not allow democracy in the countries of Eastern Europe and that the growing demand for democracy was one of the elements that provoked the collapse of the USSR. Autocracy, by one man or one party has only worked in the middle ages and ancient times.
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28th January 2002, 04:31
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Dear Rikbe,
I hope Neva gets the neccecery documents soon. If she was from Hungary I probably could help. About Budapest. The people were unsatisfied with the results what communism produced for them. They went to the streets and unfortunatly provocators were beetwen the demonstrators.(So many different accounts) And the provocators started to fire on the police. People were supporting the demonstration, the uprising, but not the killing what followed it. Sixteen years old boys with mashine guns. Is that a freedom fight? Weapons were dumped on the street corners. Everybody could get them. The borders were left unguarded and armed agents of the old regime were coming back. The nobility too, former landowners The church wanted back it's old glory. The radio of Free Europe was telling that the Americans were coming. Were they? The Russian tanks arrived. Still unclear who fired on the unarmed population. Some say that people were hiding behind the Russian tanks, when they fired on the fascists and the freedom fighters. Others say differently. I know, that the Russians did not kill civillians in Hungary in WW2.(Hungary was the last german allie) Many claim to have been a freedom fighter in 1956. I say, that with so many, the Russians would have been not only defeated in Budapest but they would have been pushed back to Moskow and to Volgograd.(formerly Stalingrad) During the fightings, our friend Ragnvald's wish came to reality. Communists were dragged to the streets and not only shot(he would be satisfied with this), but hanged by their legs and their hearth was ripped out while they were alive. Other legs were cut off by their knees. Old disputes were solved by the guns. Stores were looted as well. After this the new communist regime had different approache. The "COMMUNISM WITH HUMAN FACE" were established. "IF YOU NOT AGAINST ME, YOU ARE WITH ME." Of course only after the reprisal following the revolution or the counterrevolution. I still can't say which one it was. My Australian visitor was amazed in 1984, when I explained him the same thing about the collapse of the USSR. Arm race with the US, large and growing muslim population. And the needs of the new generation. USSR was much more RIGID, than Hungary. I said a Russian soldier once that his fellow wasn't Russian.(he looked oriental) The Russian soldier said that his fellow was SOVJET. I didn't ask the fellow. Sorry if I typed too much, Best Regards: Vorosilov
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28th January 2002, 05:33
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Yes, people here does not clearly know what really happened, maybe if you will read it more carefully you will understand it, people turned against communism because they were forced to do it, people were afraid to walk on the streets, many of them died, just because of Nazis. If it would be the people´s will, they would have never turned against communism, I just wanted to show you, how capitalists intervented in the country such was Hungary.
People of Hungary said: "Don't believe them, dear friends. We Hungarians are for socialism and we are with you." And how can that happen, that was just another intervetion of capitalist, in order to destroy CCCP, as a matter of fact in Russia (while revolution was raging), a lot of countries, like France and Germany killed many inocent people on the streets, and still, a lot of people think that all what happened, was product of communism, no it was product of capitalism and their brainwashing!
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