communists loosing all comitees in Russian parliament

[kalashnicov]

the 30% or so who vote for kprf vote for symbols not ideology. if there was a party who were led by a charismatic leader and upheld true marxist-leninist principils, they would do very well as most people who hold these beliefs, don't vote at all. they gave up trusting governments. if there was a genuine party like this, they would attact a big following. even if there was a party commited to bringing back the living standards of the 70's, a lot would vote for them. but kprf don't give agendas of manifestos, they just shout rehtoric but in truth, the economy now would not change much under them.

[titoman]

There should be formed new party in Russia, with true pro-workers programme that would actually lean on workers and back them up in their struggle for better living and also with programme for abolition of capitalism (That KPRF does not have) and would preserve workers democracy against stalinists.

[kalashnicov]

ronbo, i disagree with your views. you say communism is anti human and immoral? what, as opposed to capitalism? thats ridiculous. take england as an example, the english queen has a personal fortune of over a billion pounds for doing absolutly nothing and they have homeless people in the street dying, thats really moral isn't it? also, you say how communism leaves poverty, why don't you see what it was like before bolsheviks take power. most of the country couldn't even read. in 30 years since taking power, the communists modernised the economy and had built a super state close to that of the power of USA. and another thing, russia is trying capitalism. they are trying the so called humane way of economics and it is rubbish. there is even more poverty now in russia than ever before.

[the_Gipper]

Originally posted by kalashnicov
ronbo, i disagree with your views. you say communism is anti human and immoral? what, as opposed to capitalism? thats ridiculous. take england as an example, the english queen has a personal fortune of over a billion pounds for doing absolutly nothing and they have homeless people in the street dying, thats really moral isn't it? also, you say how communism leaves poverty, why don't you see what it was like before bolsheviks take power. most of the country couldn't even read. in 30 years since taking power, the communists modernised the economy and had built a super state close to that of the power of USA. and another thing, russia is trying capitalism. they are trying the so called humane way of economics and it is rubbish. there is even more poverty now in russia than ever before.

Klashnicov,

I dont want to debate the diffrent types of governments
But I would like to say that capitalism on the scale that the usa enjoys didnt happen in 10 years. It took many years but our poor people still are ok.

[davlet]

Originally posted by kalashnicov
ronbo, i disagree with your views. you say communism is anti human and immoral? what, as opposed to capitalism? thats ridiculous. take england as an example, the english queen has a personal fortune of over a billion pounds for doing absolutly nothing and they have homeless people in the street dying, thats really moral isn't it? also, you say how communism leaves poverty, why don't you see what it was like before bolsheviks take power. most of the country couldn't even read. in 30 years since taking power, the communists modernised the economy and had built a super state close to that of the power of USA.

Yeah, and how many people were killed or forced to immigrate in the process? By the way before 1917 things were pretty bad in Western countries also. But they recovered peacefully and now flourish. Even with the Queen of England being a billionaire. Yet we all know what happened to communist countries.

D.P.

[ILay]

dear Ron!

I would like to advise you another book - 'in the dead end' ('v tupike') by V.V. Veresaev.

It describes the early days of the communist regime by a writer who saw it all. It was first published in 1922 and (strange thing) prohibited only in 1924.

[titoman]

Ronbo, I would suggest you this book :

http://www.marxist.com/bolshevism/

This book really deals with true history of Bolshevism.