If communism is the way the world should be then why did it failed?

[rikbe]

Originally posted by RedCeltic
I don't think Nike workers in Indonesia can buy a pair of Nike's with their paycheck.

Maybe not, but they can pay a lot more than the non-Nike workers.

[RedCeltic]

"WE ARE NOT MACHINES"

A new report has found that Indonesian Nike and Adidas workers are paid so little they are forced to separate from their children.

The report, titled We Are Not Machines, was released today by leading aid agency, Oxfam Community Aid Abroad. It reveals that workers are living in extreme poverty, with full time wages as low as $US2 a day.

"Nike and Adidas workers who want to live with their children are going into debt to meet their families' basic needs," says Andrew Hewett, Executive Director of Oxfam Community Aid Abroad "Most are forced by their poverty to send their children to distant villages, to be cared for by relatives."

According to the report, workers depend on the extra income gained by working long hours of overtime. They have been hit hard by the US economic downturn, which has pushed down demand for sports wear, resulting in cuts in overtime in many factories.

Other findings include:

Workers have good reason to fear that if they join independent unions they may face dismissal, jail or physical assault.
Although there has been some reduction the pressures on workers, they still work in dangerous conditions, and are still shouted at when they work too slowly. Workplace dangers include respiratory illness from inhaling toxic chemicals and finger loss in cutting machines.
In Nike and Adidas' largest Indonesian supplier factory, women who want to claim legally mandated menstrual leave must suffer the humiliation of proving they are menstruating by pulling down their pants in front of female factory doctors.
"Nike and Adidas must ensure that wages meet workers' basic needs, ensure workers are free to form unions, and adopt an independent and transparent factory monitoring system", says Mr. Hewett. "Large corporations have a responsibility to ensure that the basic rights of workers making their products are respected".

[titoman]

Originally posted by JoseM
Europe and Asia experienced with a lot of suffering and blood when communism was there. Communist countries collapsed and China had to change to a more open market economy because it learned from the collapse of the Soviet Union. Anyways if the communism is the equality and justice for everyone then why did it collapsed and why did the people from each former communist country had to revolt against their tyranic communist regime?

Remember Poland, Rumania, Hungary and even the own Russians revolted against their communist goverments.

The 20th century proved that communism is a failure and Europe and Asia are witnesses of this with a count of 100 million deaths. Yes that's it, 100 million of deaths is what communism has in it's count. More evil than the facism with 40 million of deaths, the communism around the world has claimed 100.000.000 lives in the last 80 years and it is still counting with Cuba and North Korea still there with their communism, and we can add the deaths of april in Venezuela to the communism too. Because it is a known fact that Fidel has his hands very deep into the Venezuela goverment.

The misery and bloody hands of the communism has plagued Venezuela now, and the main question is... will Venezuela fall under the hands of the communism?
...Will Latin America repeat the history of the things that happened in Europe and Asia decades ago?

Communism has failed once, but it seems that that evil ideology still wants a second round, this time in Latin America.

[Edited by JoseM on 1st May 2002 at 04:08]

JoseM, I can not give you short answer. If you are so curious to know you can read book http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/ which deals with that thing really good.

Oh, and revolutionaries in Venezuela are Maoists, they can not be considered as marxists or even communists.

[JUlia_P]

The problem is that communism - a real communism as it was "inveted", so to say, never existed. Nor in my country, Russian, nor in Chine, nor ever. All those were just parts of communism. I'm against communism, but I don't think that we can judge about it without knowing what it is like.

[RedCeltic]

How can you say your against something and than warn against prejudging what you don't know? Isn't saying "I'm against Communism" prejudging it? I'm assuming you mean that your not a communist, but not an 'anti-communist' and willing to give us the benifit of the doubt.There's a big diffrence there.

[JUlia_P]

I want to say that after studying commnism by different works of different writers, I can say that it's not the form I like, but at the same time I can't say that I don't like it because it is bad (I don't like vegetables, but they are good, I just don't like them). I don't like some point communism includes, but I may imagine that it is good.

[Nateddi]

Explain how Communism is similar to vegetables in your explanation.

I can understand if you say donating to charities is like eating vegetables, however I just don't see how Communism has anything to do with that.


[Edited by Nateddi on 9th May 2002 at 03:34]