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[rikbe]

ABout your comment 1 : I was talking about communism, not how it was achieved.

Your Comment 2 : You give too much credit to USA. Besides, the goal of Marxists movements was and is not democracy but communistic authoritarianism.


Your reasoning is as follows: communism MUST work because it is perfect, so, if it collapse, there must be an extern factor (you call it USA). You fail to see the weaknesses of the system and therefore you look for someone to blame. This is a typical looser mentality.
I agree that there was and is an important involvement of the USA in other countries, but everywhere the main mistakes were made by the locals.
For having a stable economy, a stable political situation is needed. If socialistic reforms are achieved gradually and with the consent of the majority, USA will not want and will not be able to prevent it.

AFter W.W.II communists made progress all over Europe as a reaction against nazism. But they gradually lost their influence and almost have disappeared. European governments oscillated between center right and center left, except a few exceptions.
After W.W.II, Europe was in ruins but they recovered rapidly and have a similar standard of living as USA or not far below. However, economy is not as brilliant as USA because of more social structures, but I think the average standard of living is higher than USA.

That Europeans were only possible to exist because of USA is a fantasy, I rather would think that EU economy is weakened by USA.

WHat is happening in France is a good thing. The socialists and social democrats became lazy and did not much improvements anymore. They became to fulfilled of themselves that they paid no attention to what the people really wanted. Result: Le Pen. He would never had a chance if the other had done their job.
This is a lesson in democracy: if you don't do your job, we vote for someone that promise to do better.
Now socialist and social democrats are panicking, not only in France but all over EU. This will wake them up. It came not as a surprise to, I wrote something like this could happen a few months ago in this forum, replies were: that will not happen, EU will never make a swing to the right.

In a one party system like communism this would never have happened and the ruling regime would have become more and more inefficient and dull, till final collapse as in USSR.
People become lazy without competition, so do governments.

And that is were communism fails on human level: no competition makes lazy. No reward exclude competition.

Mankind is a predator, competition keeps him going. Communism stops him.

ANother mistake: ideologies have to serve mankind, not the opposite as claims the communists.

Communism is an invention of people that are afraid of competition, afraid of taking responsabilities, afraid of living their life. They want a mother to take care of all.
It is the same as the religion and God syndrome. It is immaturity.

But they are a minority, and if they should become a majority, the human species is doomed because at the end, all evolution would stop.
Maybe you will think: who cares about evolution if everyone lives in peace and wealth? At that moment, probably nobody anymore. Only nature don't stop. LIfe is evolution and the species that does not evolve within, disappears.
From communism comes conservatism, in such way that all scientific research will stop because it innovates and conservatives hates innovations.

We would become dinosaurs and one catastrophe could wipe us out.

[benCA]

Jose,
First of all, thank you for displaying your childishness. With such insults, who can possibly take you seriously?

Second, I started this thread to remind you that this is a Russia.com and not a cuba.com!
Was I asking you for official Cuban sites? Was I asking you about Cuban truth? Was I asking you for any Cuban information whatsoever?

Let me interpreted my post. I’ve said; “for a second there, i thought i was at cuba.com”
Meaning, There is an excessive amount of Cuba posts in a recent wave of submitted threads. My thread was intended to serve as a small reminder that this is Russia.com and not a green light for a JoseM to insult benCA and others.

If you wish to debate on this site, do so without name-calling and personal insults.

[RedCeltic]

JoseM: I've seen your posts and the threads you carbon copied with exact titles and all on Che-Lives and Russia.com... You wonder why you where banned from the Phora, and why your close to being banned on both Russia.com and Che-Lives.com. Do you have any idea of how to argue politics with someone? Your personal insults and rehash of 20 year old propaganda is getting on people's nerves.

[Aliusha]

First: my english isn`t so good. I am sorry about it. I can read and understand texts in this language, but have no fluence. Also, I hope this don`t impeding our comunication.

It's ridiculous see our camarade talking about Fidel Castro, Cuban Revolution and communism. I'm brazilian and lives in Latin America, near of Cuba. Knew her people and Castro is a mith. He, Camilo Cienfuegos, Che Guevara and Raul Castro, Jose Martí and other revolutionary men. It's impossible to talk about comunism in Cuba and say that Castro makes a tragedy on the island.

The comunism never exists. It's just a dream, and lives alone in many books. Never exists, NEVER. It's simple: our society is not prepared to live like a REALLY fellowship. We, and I believe that this happen in all the world, cannot live in harmony and without a leader, or state. That`s a fact.

So, we can speak about the socialism in the world, not about communism cause he don`t exist in this world. Exist just like a theory.

I`ll sugest that our friend Jose read these books:

* La Historia Me Absolverá, Fidel Castro;
* Memoria del Fuego, Eduardo Galeano;
* A Ilha, Fernando Morais;
* Fidel Castro, rebel, liberator or dictator. Jules Dubois;
* Cuba: el camiño de la revolución. Oleg Darushenkov.

After the reading, friend Jose, we can talk about Castro. Before this, you`re not prepared.

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Aliusha.

[titoman]

Any pro communist can make a web page in favor of fidel castro and his bloody revolution.

Has anyone said the revolution was not bloody?

Can you kill people without blood?


And about cuba.com


I come to http://www.cuba.com and I see this message

"Cuba.com takes no political stance and will only offer information and links to information that we hope will be useful to everyone. Any attempts by anyone to use this site as a political platform will be removed or rejected. Please search the site for all your questions about this country."

I haven´t browsed the web page, but I think there is no Communist propaganda there.

[Nateddi]

Originally posted by Ronbo
You bet!

At the time Castro came to power in 1959, Cuba was the richest country in Latin America.

Of course, in a sense, Cuba is still the richest country in Latin America -- rich in Commie bullsh!t....

Ronbo, are you implying that the Cuban people were better off under Batista? I am sure Cuba would be rich, Batista sold everything off to America's Big Capital, ofcourse the nation itself won't be poor. However that isn't what matters here.

[rikbe]

Originally posted by Ronbo
Dear rikbe:

Communism is an invention of people that are afraid of competition, afraid of taking responsabilities, afraid of living their life. They want a mother to take care of all.
It is the same as the religion and God syndrome. It is immaturity.

Ayn Rand couldn't have said it any better!

Dear Ronbo,

Didn't I wrote that a long time ago? I am not sure I wrote it related to communism, but I did it related to religion.

But communism implies something else: it gives everyone the illusion to be in control. Just as religion gives every believer the illusion of being in control. In both systems, it is just an illusion.

Natedi,

If Cuba was better under Battista or Castro is not the point, the point is that while other countries has evolved, Cuba of Castro has not. It lived as a parasite of USSR and when USSR collapsed, Cuba started to collapse too.