if andropov had survived?

[komitetgosudarstvennoibezopusnosti]

i believe that if yuri andropov would have survived to implement his policies, the USSR would be on its way to prosperity right now. he would have reformed the system enough to make socialism economically efficient (like in china) without losing control of the people like gorbachev did. also, andropov was a true marxist unlike gorbachev. another good thing about yuri andropov is he would have excersised more power for the soviet union in foreign policy without trying to get friendly with the west. brezhnev should have been deposed in 1978 at the latest. 78' was a good economic year for the USSR. it went downhill from there. if andropov would have came in in the mid 70's, he could have led the country to prosperity.

[titoman]

Originally posted by komitetgosudarstvennoibezopusnosti
i believe that if yuri andropov would have survived to implement his policies, the USSR would be on its way to prosperity right now. he would have reformed the system enough to make socialism economically efficient (like in china) without losing control of the people like gorbachev did. also, andropov was a true marxist unlike gorbachev. another good thing about yuri andropov is he would have excersised more power for the soviet union in foreign policy without trying to get friendly with the west. brezhnev should have been deposed in 1978 at the latest. 78' was a good economic year for the USSR. it went downhill from there. if andropov would have came in in the mid 70's, he could have led the country to prosperity.

China? You have China for socialist country? Is China not friendly to west?

HMM

[komitetgosudarstvennoibezopusnosti]

no china isn't a socialist country. it has elements of the socialist planned economy. the reason i used it was because china is on its way to becoming a prosperous nation. marx said himself the revolution can only succeed in a developed, prosperous nation. andropov would have made USSR prosperous which would have been the first step. about china being friendly to the west. i wouldn't exactly say they were freindly but i wasn't using china as an example of foreign policy, just the economy. if i'm not mistaken, i think china is second only to the USA in gdp. correct me if i'm wrong. economically, china is the only country at the moment to make communism work because they realised that china must be modernised in order to achieve socialism.

[titoman]

Originally posted by komitetgosudarstvennoibezopusnosti
no china isn't a socialist country. it has elements of the socialist planned economy. the reason i used it was because china is on its way to becoming a prosperous nation. marx said himself the revolution can only succeed in a developed, prosperous nation. andropov would have made USSR prosperous which would have been the first step. about china being friendly to the west. i wouldn't exactly say they were freindly but i wasn't using china as an example of foreign policy, just the economy. if i'm not mistaken, i think china is second only to the USA in gdp. correct me if i'm wrong. economically, china is the only country at the moment to make communism work because they realised that china must be modernised in order to achieve socialism.

Hmm.

Read Communist manifesto again. And if you still think in the same way read these:


http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/part2.html

http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/part3.html

http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/part4.html

http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/part6.html

http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/part7.html

http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/part8.html


You can find the whole book here

http://www.marxist.com/russiabook/

[titoman]

Originally posted by Ronbo
"i believe that if yuri andropov would have survived to implement his policies, the USSR would be on its way to prosperity right now. he would have reformed the system enough to make socialism economically efficient (like in china) without losing control of the people like gorbachev did. also, andropov was a true marxist unlike gorbachev. another good thing about yuri andropov is he would have excersised more power for the soviet union in foreign policy without trying to get friendly with the west. brezhnev should have been deposed in 1978 at the latest. 78' was a good economic year for the USSR. it went downhill from there. if andropov would have came in in the mid 70's, he could have led the country to prosperity."

Want to play the "ifs" game, Mein Herr?

Okay!

1. What if Kerensky had hung Lenin just as soon as he stepped off that train in April, 1917? No Lenin -- No Bolshevik coup.

2. What if USA President Wilson had sent 250,000 American troops (instead of a mere 2,500)to fight the Reds along side the Whites in the Russian Civil War in 1918 and 1919? The Communist monster would have been destroyed!

3. What if Trotsky had won the power struggle with Stalin? Russia would have evolved into a sort of social democracy by 1939 and millions of Russians spared the worst of the GULAG.

And so forth...

If you want to play if if.....

If Trotsky had won? I think if Trotsky would came to power, USSR would be better country and socialist revolution would progress insted of regressivity Stalins bureaucrats created.
Trotsky was indeed true Marxist.

Oh, and by the way. In the years of Lenins rule, most Social Democrat parties around the world based their programme on Lenin´s philosophy. But soon most SD parties turned more to right wing (In Europe because of Nazism and Fascism, in USA because of some wierd people in charge (Truman,...) that marked everybody "communist" and put them into prison.