Go Back   Russia.com Discussion Forum > Society > Russian Politics


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 24th May 2002, 05:05
titoman titoman is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,175
Quote:
Originally posted by nycrolite
Those who own the means of production: anyone who has an investment in a corporation / owns a business.

I can see things Ok, I just wanted to know who are the people that you constantly bash and call "bourgeois".

It turns out they are entrepreneurs, people who have a head on their shoulders.

I just hope you don´t mean that you own means of production of one company if you have one of their stock shares.
__________________

“Nature is the proof of dialectics, and it must be said for modern science that it has furnished this proof with very rich materials increasing daily.”

Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 24th May 2002, 05:09
titoman titoman is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,175
I have posted this once. Maybe I should re-post it.


Under capitalism, there is no real competition, no real use of every individual's initiative and abilities, and that these can only be truly developed under socialism. In another text called How to organise competition Lenin explains this in detail:

"Bourgeois authors have been using up reams of paper praising competition, private enterprise, and all the other magnificent virtues and blessings of the capitalists and the capitalist system. Socialists have been accused of refusing to understand the importance of these virtues, and of ignoring "human nature". As a matter of fact, however, capitalism long ago replaced small, independent commodity production, under which competition could develop enterprise, energy and bold initiative to any considerable extent, by large- and very large-scale factory production, joint-stock companies, syndicates and other monopolies. Under such capitalism, competition means the incredibly brutal suppression of the enterprise, energy and bold initiative of the mass of the population, of its overwhelming majority, of ninety-nine out of every hundred toilers; it also means that the competition is replaced by financial fraud, nepotism, servility on the upper rungs of the social ladder.

"Far from extinguishing competition, socialism, on the contrary, for the first time creates the opportunity for employing it on a really wide and on a really mass scale, for actually drawing the majority of working people into a field of labour in which they can display their abilities, develop their capacities, and reveal those talents, so abundant among the people whom capitalism crushed, suppressed and strangled in thousands and millions." (Lenin, Selected Works, vol. 2, "How to Organise Competition?", p. 467)

__________________

“Nature is the proof of dialectics, and it must be said for modern science that it has furnished this proof with very rich materials increasing daily.”

Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 24th May 2002, 05:27
Nateddi Nateddi is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 112
Oh hey tito, I didn't know that was you, I just sent you a private message.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 24th May 2002, 07:37
vorosilov vorosilov is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 6,131

Hello Titoman,

You are right about the "comptition".

Workers in great corporations are so lazy that you can operate them while they are working.
As biger as lazier.
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT +3. The time now is 07:14.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC4 © 2006, Crawlability, Inc.