The genius of Yuri Artsutanov and the trouble with rockets.

[justoleme]

The rockets are not the major problem.The Earths gravity plus atmosphere are resistant to escapeing our planet.I propose to use centrifugal force to exit the Earth enviroment but NASA likes to do it with huge sums of federal reserve notes so scientist can get on the dole as they are totally useless for productive missions outside of government.The big corporations in the USA pay the Chineese to launch their hardware..The beauricrats have shut down progress here.At any rate just keep looking up for a blazeing redneck space probe to bust a hole on Mars and discover the source of what all ails us humans.But expect the messenger to be shot outright in gratitude.Hey..I liked this subject .My boss just arrived to put the brakes on my mission.He brought me a can of nails.

Originally posted by CastleStormer
I didn't know it was ice. It looks like a big ugly rock to me. So what is your take on all the probes lost there? The last NASA Bullshyyt I heard was that the last failure was caused by their misunderstanding of the metric system. Russia has also lost probes when they approach Phobos. And what about that "face" in the Cydonia region? I read all of Hoaglund's stuff on Mars. Pretty wild stuff..I remember reading Edgar Cayce and his messages on Mars long ago.

[Edited by CastleStormer on 12th October 2002 at 01:55]

Well, partially ice, according to spectroscopic analysis, since, as far as I am aware, no probe has made deliberate contact with Phobos. The majority of type "D" asteroids which are mostly ice and other volatile compounds are located beyond the orbit of Jupiter. The good news about this is that the further out in the System a body is, the smaller the change of velocity or "delta Vee" necessary to alter its orbit is.

The exploration of space is still in its infancy, really, so it is actually no surprise that errors occur and equipment is lost or malfunctions, even in close proximity to Earth, he said, recalling both the Hubble Space Telescope mirror flaw and the successful mission to repair it. For "a tribute to the little spacecraft that could" with some lovely photographs from that same intrepid probe, check out the November, 2002, Popular Science magazine. It's "Bravo, Galileo", in the NewsFiles section.

As for the "face on Mars" it seems not to be an artifact, after all. Much like the "canali" of Schiaparelli, it is evidence of wishful thinking about our not being alone in the Solar System. The upside is, there are no indigenous populations of Martians who will resent our taking possession of the planet. It seems as if, if we are to establish contact with intelligent beings on Mars, we will have to send them there. Let's hope they're your kids, and your grandkids, and give them a good start.LOVE,T.

Originally posted by justoleme
The rockets are not the major problem.The Earths gravity plus atmosphere are resistant to escapeing our planet.I propose to use centrifugal force to exit the Earth enviroment but NASA likes to do it with huge sums of federal reserve notes so scientist can get on the dole as they are totally useless for productive missions outside of government.The big corporations in the USA pay the Chineese to launch their hardware..The beauricrats have shut down progress here.At any rate just keep looking up for a blazeing redneck space probe to bust a hole on Mars and discover the source of what all ails us humans.But expect the messenger to be shot outright in gratitude.Hey..I liked this subject .My boss just arrived to put the brakes on my mission.He brought me a can of nails.

Your comment about centrifugal force is right on the money, pardner- this is why most space launch sites are as close to the Equator as possible and all launch paths head EAST, in the direction of the planet's spin. Say, you are a goodole boy from Texas, aren't you? Come to Houston's George R. Brown Convention Center NEXT Friday or Saturday, when the World Space Congress will be open to the public. You can ask the space guys from all over what they're up to! See you there! And why not drop in on NASA in Clear Lake if you've got the time?HOPE,T.

has so far declined to comment upon this thread. Sigh. The crest of the humble tovarisch is also fallen regarding the poor attendance of the public at the WSC and the denial of visas to many Chinese scientists by the Bush administration. Judging by what your comrade could gather, the Chinese are making significant progress in using space research to improve agricultural yields, exhibiting improved varieties of tomato, adzuki bean, lotus, and other crops. However, the humble tovarisch WAS able to acquire a copy of the Lunar Base Handbook, in which the original "Skyhook idea" was attributed to the visionary Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovsky.

PEACE, PROSPERITY, PROGRESS!T.

reminds me of a similar stategy for a non-rocket-based form of space travel, the Space Fountain. Imagine if you will a number of nails or other type of ferrous pellets whirling in an evacuated track 4 kilometers in diameter, propelled by electromagnetic linear induction. Such a device could be used without refinements to store electrical energy in the form of kinetic energy for load leveling purposes to improve the efficiency of electrical grids. Now, at some point that particle stream could be diverted UP through ninety degrees through the bottom deflector station number one, back DOWN through the top deflector station(TDS), and finally back through a final ninety degrees through bottom deflector station number two, returning the projectiles to the ground loop. Once all systems are thoroughly tested out the power is increased and the TDS levitates, pulling up after it the first of many air-excluding sections of pipe with guideways and auxiliary drivers to maintain the pellet stream. The advantages of this approach are that the system can be built in stages, from the ground up, and that no exotic materials are required. Current technology is adequate for this admittedly mammoth project! AND, using the design worked out by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory fusion researcher Roderick Hyde, such a device could transport six million tons into space, and another six million tons down to Earth, for NOTHING, every year. The pellets, traveling at 14 km/sec through bottom #1, slow to a mere 4 km/sec at the TDS due to the burden of lifting mass out of Earth's gravity well, but pick up kinetic energy (from goods and raw materials exported to Earth from other worlds) after reversing their path. Obviously, multiple loops for safety would be most desirable, but the circulating power is greatly in excess of the driving power and any collapse of the structure would therefore be gradual in even a worst case scenario.

PEACE, PROSPERITY, PROGRESS!T.

could be used as a structural element in super tall buildings such as the "Mile High City" concept of Frank Lloyd Wright or even bent into an arc to bridge continents. Imagine a bridge from SE Asia to Australia, or from S. America to Antarctica! Of course such projects will be child's play once inexpensive access to the riches of the Solar System is assured. Solar power advocates, take note: the most logical place to exploit the prodigious energy emitted by our star is where its flux density is greatest, in the vicinity of Mercury's orbit. By setting up a base to manufacture devices to harness such power, using locally derived materials, humanity could ensure a considerably brighter future for succeeding generations. The entire idea that resources are limited should be JUNKED. Earth intercepts a tiny fraction of the bountiful supply of Solar energy streaming into space every second, and there are stars beyond ours as well. What a prospect!HAPPINESS!T.

[kumukh77]

Comrade T

i would give unconditional support to scraping the idea that the resources are limited .


Perhaps , opposite has always been the truth , the demand is limited.

markets get saturated energy markets get de-regulated , de-governmentised if u will .

If deriving energy from light becomes driving reality for emerging economies around the world in next 2 decades and let's say , nano technology and photon drive becomes reality too.


contunie to dream , shall I , indulge me if you pls

cloning and genetic enginering gives way to every individual creating self copies of themselves in a task designed structure , being extremely carefull in not making the mistakes that led to blade runner for hire.

question ?

if u have created 5 copies of yourself with no human rights attached to it and then if u have made these self copies do all the unpleasant jobs and other stuff the real self does not wanted to do ...... is this a cruelty of humanity ?

warp drives and etheric nature of the invincible universe somewhat related in a fractional way.

have i ever thanked you for being such a good sport lately tovarisch comrade ?

here , i thank you .

caucasian warrior
cyberdeeringly yours .