Religion Vs. Science

[Renato]

I replied this forum w/ a theological dissertation on
Science merging Religion.
It has been removed.

Renato L. Porchetta

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[DATA_911]

well God made Devil at the same time he made angles but who really knows what God is he or she...but does that really matters?well there is only one God...that's my belive nothing personel but i belive there is no God but Allah and Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.H)is the last prophet of Allah Allmighty and there was no God,there is no God and there wil be no God but Allah...
p.s...Allah is The Greatest!
much respect
Det.Muhammad Asim
1-209-952-4553
MRMUHAMAMDASIM@HOTMAIL.COM

[Didievich]

to me, science is something that is happening around human life since they evolve or created. after the revolution of human knowledge passes thousand years, scientific study is the evidence of human intelligencies with limitation of course. science is facts that support human believe in something except facts that relates to God's existance. can science prove God exist? not scientifically proven. but who can prove the human feeling scientifically?. believe in religion in my opinion is base on feeling and facts. i must not believe in something without proof or evidence. somehow when it comes to the subject of believe in God, it comes naturally inside many people since their born day.

[Renato]

Penn State University January 2, 2005
Dear DATA_911 and rikbe,
I would like all readers but particulalry both of you to benefit from a deper information contained in following article.
And perhaps, why not? reflect on the issue of how conflicts are generated in the religious essence by the erronueous standing of Darwinism, Quantum Mechanics, the theory of relativity of Einstein and the legacy of TIME.
This article is concise and -communication efficient- because it addresses deep and important
issues in just less than 900 words. I think
Happy Holidays.
########### Article (start) ################

Re: Darwinism

State College December 29, 2004
Phil,

You know my position: many scientific claims are fraudulent because the trendy scientist,
philosopher, thinker and theologian do not acknowledge the spirituality of the inspiration
and the responsibility for coherency within the creative process.

In fact, as you know by now, I call this dynamic blend made of inspiration and creativity:
"Human Intelligence," which in turn produces all the arts and information, science included.

Men and Women without the justification of an emotional-intelligence, without the justification of
a Spiritual_Within take a very dangerous positions.

With blasphemous violence used in wars some Men and Women are already challenging the
fundamental principles of love. Eventually this violence which is the action sprung from madness
will convince this type of individual to increase the challenge prevail on God's Perfection.

Perfection is well illustrated by the synchronicity supported by many philosophers and particularly
strongly by Aristotle reinforced by Lavoisier and the Zen philosophy.
Therefore for this very reason of challenging "perfection" many scientists claim becomes
faulty but audiences of scholars find strong reasons to oppose the misjudgements of science.

Then I also find as a secondary social effect, that in many cases these "misjudgements" are
part of an architecture or an orchestration to re_direct sums of monies to self-serving
programs in the direction of the supremacy of a market.

I also witness that many corrupted scientific claims aim at marketing rather than the
deepening of the truth of knowledge. Quantum Mechanics is a typical example of this.

However I don't find flaws in the understanding of some of Darwin's theory. And I am
not opposed to the fact that the physiological cycle of living organisms allows the
perpetuation of life. And, perhaps this is the only way I accept the -half- mentioned theory of
evolution.

The other half which I found missing but common to many other scientific claims is a
rationale which employs the fraudulent use of time. Einstein reigns in this fraudulent
standing where we find the calendar time is used in replacement of natural
phenomenology.

During a scientific rationale calendar time, which is a convention is assumed erroneously as
a natural phenomena: this is a mistake which allows the scientist the liberty of weird mad
conclusions.

The only value of time is the perfection of the mind illustrated by the synchronicity of
Aristotle.
Time is synchronization and nothing else.
Synchronization is perfection and perfection is conducive to spiritual harmony.
The current scientist opposes PERFECTION and opposes the spiritual nature of the
human intelligence and consequently opposes God.

Therefore if the modern scientist is not aware that all scientific experiences are seen
because of an inborn human-intelligence whatever the scientist claims for himself/herself is
only half of a truth.
Half of the truth is not the whole truth therefore the promise of a "WHOLE" fails and it
remains that half of the truth is a lie.

Referring back to Darwinism, there is nothing wrong within the information in the ape-to-man
theory nor in the fact that one day I would grow wings because I would become an angel. I think.

In tune with the received article at the same time I neither find wrong to feature pictures of
giraffes stretching their necks to feed high off of trees nor I find wrong if Darwinists want to teach
that whales, which are mammals, evolved from black bears swimming with their mouths open.
However I understand that scientists will suffer embarrassments when a scientific theory
are presented without a sound validity.
This is also the case of the Darwinists like many others who use erroneously the featuring time
rather than inspiration for the completion of the scientific information.

We withness the attempt of evolution as a theory attempting to identifying the origin of life.
This idea is foolish to start with.
Can we prevent men being fools? The answer to this question is:"no."
Men and Women are entitled to their own stupidity and madness as an experience which
is a springboard for corrections and learning. At times human madness seems unavoidable.

However, there are no origins and no ends to life simply because life is perpetual dynamic
motion. Perpetual means eternal and many individual don't like to accept the idea of
"something" being eternal because they know better and they are going to prevail in the
challenge to God's ETERNAL PERFECTION.

Referring back to the article you sent I think that children should be taught the
spiritual value in the arts as a by-product of good compositions and semantics.
So that typical schoolchildren full of wonder would live in a world best described as a
marvelous work of art.
The snowflakes that grace us at Christmas time typify the artistic beauty that bestows joy
on all ages but all this is not the employment of madness but the employment of human
cohesive and coherent intelligence.
The efficiency of the artistic message within the arts depends on the enlightenment of
the human mind and not on the blurring or darkness of it.
Be in good spirit and let's remember what Buddha proposes with the following question:
"Can anyone support or promote peace, love and intelligence with anger and lying?"
R.

PS: I put a new "interactive-button" at bottom of my Penn State web-site portfolio.
It is mouse-clickable and I labeled the button "Applied_Theology".
The content is strong and direct and describes clearly the link between science and
God.
http://www.personal.psu.edu/rlp188

################### Article (end) ###################

[rikbe]

Originally posted by Renato
Penn State University January 2, 2005
Dear DATA_911 and rikbe,
I would like all readers but particulalry both of you to benefit from a deper information contained in following article.
And perhaps, why not? reflect on the issue of how conflicts are generated in the religious essence by the erronueous standing of Darwinism, Quantum Mechanics, the theory of relativity of Einstein and the legacy of TIME.
This article is concise and -communication efficient- because it addresses deep and important
issues in just less than 900 words. I think
Happy Holidays.
########### Article (start) ################

Re: Darwinism

State College December 29, 2004
Phil,

You know my position: many scientific claims are fraudulent because the trendy scientist,
philosopher, thinker and theologian do not acknowledge the spirituality of the inspiration
and the responsibility for coherency within the creative process.

In fact, as you know by now, I call this dynamic blend made of inspiration and creativity:
"Human Intelligence," which in turn produces all the arts and information, science included.

Men and Women without the justification of an emotional-intelligence, without the justification of
a Spiritual_Within take a very dangerous positions.

With blasphemous violence used in wars some Men and Women are already challenging the
fundamental principles of love. Eventually this violence which is the action sprung from madness
will convince this type of individual to increase the challenge prevail on God's Perfection.

Perfection is well illustrated by the synchronicity supported by many philosophers and particularly
strongly by Aristotle reinforced by Lavoisier and the Zen philosophy.
Therefore for this very reason of challenging "perfection" many scientists claim becomes
faulty but audiences of scholars find strong reasons to oppose the misjudgements of science.

Then I also find as a secondary social effect, that in many cases these "misjudgements" are
part of an architecture or an orchestration to re_direct sums of monies to self-serving
programs in the direction of the supremacy of a market.

I also witness that many corrupted scientific claims aim at marketing rather than the
deepening of the truth of knowledge. Quantum Mechanics is a typical example of this.

However I don't find flaws in the understanding of some of Darwin's theory. And I am
not opposed to the fact that the physiological cycle of living organisms allows the
perpetuation of life. And, perhaps this is the only way I accept the -half- mentioned theory of
evolution.

The other half which I found missing but common to many other scientific claims is a
rationale which employs the fraudulent use of time. Einstein reigns in this fraudulent
standing where we find the calendar time is used in replacement of natural
phenomenology.

During a scientific rationale calendar time, which is a convention is assumed erroneously as
a natural phenomena: this is a mistake which allows the scientist the liberty of weird mad
conclusions.

The only value of time is the perfection of the mind illustrated by the synchronicity of
Aristotle.
Time is synchronization and nothing else.
Synchronization is perfection and perfection is conducive to spiritual harmony.
The current scientist opposes PERFECTION and opposes the spiritual nature of the
human intelligence and consequently opposes God.

Therefore if the modern scientist is not aware that all scientific experiences are seen
because of an inborn human-intelligence whatever the scientist claims for himself/herself is
only half of a truth.
Half of the truth is not the whole truth therefore the promise of a "WHOLE" fails and it
remains that half of the truth is a lie.

Referring back to Darwinism, there is nothing wrong within the information in the ape-to-man
theory nor in the fact that one day I would grow wings because I would become an angel. I think.

In tune with the received article at the same time I neither find wrong to feature pictures of
giraffes stretching their necks to feed high off of trees nor I find wrong if Darwinists want to teach
that whales, which are mammals, evolved from black bears swimming with their mouths open.
However I understand that scientists will suffer embarrassments when a scientific theory
are presented without a sound validity.
This is also the case of the Darwinists like many others who use erroneously the featuring time
rather than inspiration for the completion of the scientific information.

We withness the attempt of evolution as a theory attempting to identifying the origin of life.
This idea is foolish to start with.
Can we prevent men being fools? The answer to this question is:"no."
Men and Women are entitled to their own stupidity and madness as an experience which
is a springboard for corrections and learning. At times human madness seems unavoidable.

However, there are no origins and no ends to life simply because life is perpetual dynamic
motion. Perpetual means eternal and many individual don't like to accept the idea of
"something" being eternal because they know better and they are going to prevail in the
challenge to God's ETERNAL PERFECTION.

Referring back to the article you sent I think that children should be taught the
spiritual value in the arts as a by-product of good compositions and semantics.
So that typical schoolchildren full of wonder would live in a world best described as a
marvelous work of art.
The snowflakes that grace us at Christmas time typify the artistic beauty that bestows joy
on all ages but all this is not the employment of madness but the employment of human
cohesive and coherent intelligence.
The efficiency of the artistic message within the arts depends on the enlightenment of
the human mind and not on the blurring or darkness of it.
Be in good spirit and let's remember what Buddha proposes with the following question:
"Can anyone support or promote peace, love and intelligence with anger and lying?"
R.

PS: I put a new "interactive-button" at bottom of my Penn State web-site portfolio.
It is mouse-clickable and I labeled the button "Applied_Theology".
The content is strong and direct and describes clearly the link between science and
God.
http://www.personal.psu.edu/rlp188

################### Article (end) ###################

Sorry, I don't click on links with executable files unless they are on trustable websites but thanks for you good intentions to let us benefit from your deeper insight.
IMO, however, you miss the point that science is not n human invention, it simply is. So, talking about "human science" is incorrect, unless you see Religion, Arts, Philosophy as sciences, then, indeed, there are "human sciences".
I see them more as human (des)illusions, dreams and hopes.

My best wishes to you all.

[Renato]

These few words will take you into the essence of the 2005 March's event.

"If the mathematical logical process of the human thought would be assumed a reliable
conception of the intelligence, then the "moving sculpture" would unassailably manifest, the major
attributes of the universal God.

In fact, now, the "Mathematical presentation of the universal interactivity
between The SacralityONE (Unary System) and Dualism (Binary)" can be presented.

Please be aware that a possible implication affecting the American living could be as follows:
if the mathematical proof of God's existence would be accepted, Religion and its related
education based on Man and Woman's "significance" will enter the political arena of the Law
making in Washington D.C. and, possibly elsewhere in the world, not because of gratuities,
grants, contributions or arbitrary donations given by donors, but Religion for the reason of its
tangibleexistence, would have full legal rights equally or even superior to Defense. I think.
Peace,
Renato

[rikbe]

Originally posted by Renato
These few words will take you into the essence of the 2005 March's event.

"If the mathematical logical process of the human thought would be assumed a reliable
conception of the intelligence, then the "moving sculpture" would unassailably manifest, the major
attributes of the universal God.

In fact, now, the "Mathematical presentation of the universal interactivity
between The SacralityONE (Unary System) and Dualism (Binary)" can be presented.

Please be aware that a possible implication affecting the American living could be as follows:
if the mathematical proof of God's existence would be accepted, Religion and its related
education based on Man and Woman's "significance" will enter the political arena of the Law
making in Washington D.C. and, possibly elsewhere in the world, not because of gratuities,
grants, contributions or arbitrary donations given by donors, but Religion for the reason of its
tangibleexistence, would have full legal rights equally or even superior to Defense. I think.
Peace,
Renato

Mathematical? Like 1+1=3?