Tetrahedral Geometry In Space

[zinnia]

Reading Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA, which tells the story of Richard Hoagland and his struggle to get his analysis of certain structures on Mars and on the dark side of the Moon taken seriously.

He bases a large part of his analysis on tetrahedral geometry, which is an interesting use of triangular and pyramid structures found in various places in the Solar System that seem too regular to be accidental expressions of normal planet-forming activity.

It is a very interesting book, even though there are many obvious flaws in Hoagland's reasoning.

One is tempted to believe "something" is there and one wishes that Hoagland spent less time trying to make people see exactly what he saw and more time just looking. But, to be fair, Hoagland's biggest and most important argument is that NASA has not been generous with the images and research time needed to properly investigate them.

The book does not offer rational alternatives to Hoagland's insistence that the structures seen on Mars represent artifacts created by conscious beings, but anyone who has ever spent much time looking at natural crystals and other formations right here on earth knows that many natural structures look highly artificial because they carry repeated angles and straight edges or because they resemble faces and human figures. In fact these very structures are often cited by people as proof that there is a Gaian conscious intelligence at work, or a conscious Creator/Designer.

I am not a scientist, I am an artist. I am comfortable looking at what is there without having any answer as to what it is.

Russians share with Americans a dynamic fascination and a nationally-supported desire to explore Space. What are some Russian opinions of the images that Hoagland and his colleagues claim stand as "proof" of an older civilization on Mars and the Moon?

[CastleStormer]

I read Hoagland's "The Monuments Of Mars". I put him out there with Sitchen and Berlitz. A lot of their theories are just plain wrong. But to think that we are the only thing out there is even more wrong.

[zinnia]

I'm jgoing to read that book next.

I think the flaw in Hoagland's thinking is that he and his co-atuhor, Mike Bara, become so focused on making others see what they see.

That is like paying more attention to what my listener is hearing instead of what I am saying, you know?

So as a reader, I feel that I must get past the pressure to agree with them, and just look open-mindedly at what they are presenting.

I am not a scientist, I am an artist. I am really impressed by the common ground I see in the tetrahedral images Hoagland describes and some inner-consciousness experiences that no Western scientist would admit studying, if one did.

I did some experimentation with dream art some years ago that involved completely emptying my mind of any kind of "story-telling" effort upon awaking from the dream state, and I just simply scratched out a few color-gestures of what remained in my mind, and then placed it aside. I did this almost daily for a few weeks, and in that time-period I found my dream state tremendously enhanced. To this day I have extremely realistic, multi-sensual dreams that are far more "solid" than anything I experienced before doing that.

Alongside this personal experience, which I admit I stopped doing because its intensity frightened me, I would also place some "metaphysical" reading: the books of Carlos Casteneda, who describes the world of the Yaqui sorcerer "Don Juan". Don Juan introduced Castaneda to the "lines of the world" which he said can only be seen by a person who has experienced two completely different cultures, and so is able to see "between" human cultures, which according to the sorcerer are each a overwhelming myth-reality that our parents have placed over our perceptions, being limited to the one culture in which we have been raised.

A third non-scientific realm: the "ley lines" and Chinese tradition of "chi" that permeate much "New Age" philosophy.

All of these avenues of exploration, including Hoagland's views of the images from Mars, have the common thread of human beings attempting desperately to perceive something beyond that which our "normal" senses can see, and attempting desperately to understand and explain what we see.

I which that I could have a giant, coffee-table size book of the most detailed and uneditted forms of the images of Mars and of the strange atmospheric light on the moon so that I could just meditate on the images.

[Voyager13b]

Isn't Hoagland the guy who claims to be able to do "remote viewing" (using his mental skills to witness things happening in other places)? If it is the guy I'm thinking of, he can be very entertaing on late night radio, but his "science" seems to be developed to support his pre concieved view of the universe, and I don't feel comfortable associating his work with the kind of hard science that requires a solid foundation in fact to form a conclusion.

Maybe it's the wrong guy. It just sounds like one and the same person to me.

Voyager

[justin1987]

Yeah...I think he's the president of the IRVA - International Remote Viewing Association...
In a broad sense, its about people who have the ability of accurately "viewing" locations (which they havent seen before) from distant places...

[CastleStormer]

Well, another one bites the dust. Hoagland's stock just crashed in my opinion the minute I found out he was associated with remote viewing. I am amazed at how many men I am interested in hearing what they have to say until they go and do something stupid. Remember Bob Lazar talking about working inside Area 51? Then he gets arrested for being a pimp. I studied Charles Berlitz and the "ancient astronauts" stuff until he was discobered to be a fraud. The beamship UFO stuff looked great until the were outed. And on and on. Even the Loch Ness Monster pics were faked. JZ Knight channeled "Ramtha" until she was outed. And yet she still operates her phoney school.

PT Barnum was right. There really is a sucker born every minute.

[justin1987]

I wouldnt really term IRVA as something stupid.....though it apparantly defies all known scientific laws, it is said to have a metaphysical basis, and has already been demonstrated successfully...