The deal with Fetisov and the rest...

[Canadian_Wolf]

I am Canadian, and the only reason i am here is to try and understand the Russian mentality towards these Olympics. I have no ties at all with Russia, I live in both Calgary and Montreal, Canada.

5 things have caught my attention:

1. The fact Russia complains about the superior Sale and Pelletier getting Gold.

2. Fetisov trying to find excuses for his teams loss to the US by blaming the Canadian referee.

3. THem complaining about the US's win in woman's Olympic figure skating

4. THe fact they still are claiming that both doped skiers should get back their medals.

5. The reaction of the Russian public.


North America and Russia have gotten in to it these Olympics. Yet all of the reasons for which the Russians complained I find ridiculous. You may call me biased, but I think i am using common sense here.

First of all, those Russia support corruption over justice?

It's funny that you claim that your skiers should get their medals back even though they we're caught doping. This is the most ridiculous of your arguments and since it was the last one released, Russia has won the title of whiners for these Oympics. Canada not far behind. But at least our complaints we're mostly based. In Canada and the U>S., Russia's reaction has been ridiculed on TV and in the Newspapers. Mainly about the fact it is well known Russia is the most corrupted country in the history of sports and that it has finally hit them back in the face.

THen, their is the Sale Pelletier affair. We're we better? Yes. Much better? Yes. Did we win? no. THat just starts to resume the facts. Russia has intimidated several countries(or dealed with them) to put Canada in 2nd. it is not the first time they do this. Sadly, only the French judge was caught. Yet you complaining about us eventually getting the second gold medal shows that you prefer the results of corruption over justice.

So, you support doped skiers and corrupted judges, but hell breaks loose when a referee calls a couple of doubtful penalities. USA played two periods, your team only one. THat pretty well explains their victory. No need for a corrupted referee's here. If you look at the shots, the US went 49-29. Its is not my fault the US had a 50% powerplay that day and that Russia's team slept for 40 minutes.

The claim that the female russian skater should have won gold is well, I have no opinion. I saw both performances and did not see any obvious superiorities in any case. But then again, the Canadian performance in pairs had obvious superiorities and you claim Russia should have won, putting the credibility of your argument down.

Finally, the reaction of the public. AM I right when i say that most Russian citizens are angry about the whole thing. Yet after reading my arguments, take a look and ponder them. You may not totally agree with me, but if you totally disagree against all the facts and Russian Contradictions I have presented in front of you I wonder if the Russian media propaganda has a bit to much influence over you...

[Irinka_ukraine_dot_com]

Most Russian citizens have lives

[Deni]

Russian pair skaters were better. Even many Americans admit it. Do you think they are under influence of Russian propaganda?
., "Russia's reaction has been ridiculed on TV and in the Newspapers" Do you think that Canadians whining for their undeserved medals and really influencing judges to vote for CANADIANS looked better on Russian TV? And don't create illusions for yourselves. It is not propaganda that is the cause of the Russian claims. I think Russians are less inclined to believe in propaganda and to mass hysteria than Canadians.

The same with other statements by you. But you are too biased to answer you completely.





[Edited by Deni on 2nd March 2002 at 16:51]

[Irinka_ukraine_dot_com]

Are you Russian?

[jutka]

Deni,

I totally agree with you.

[Canadian_Wolf]

I'm too biased??? Maybe I am a bit, but I have facts. "... you are too biased to answer you completly" is a load of crap. My statements we're clearly stated, and you have nothing of value to argue.

Many americans tought the russians we're better!? Are you crazy or do you interpret 5% as being much. A poll taken on MSNBC, with over 40 000 answers, asked who was better between both couples. WHile 95% opted for Sale and Pelletier, only the rest voted for... whatever their names are.

It was the biggest story of the Olympics, everybody booed in the crowd when the results we're announced. Don't you see how moronic your arguments are. Knowing the RUssian media, who for half a century mad you believe in communism(haha, now that is being vulnerable to propaganda, looser) probably got a hold of a few americans who said the russians we're better. Imagine, the Americans don't even care about us and they made it a bigger story than any of their medalists. We we're better, we made no errors while the russians did and even if they didn't the canadian program was better. The French judge admitted to corruption, before changing her story 10 times to protect everyone. What do you say against that, punk.

You are the kind to believe all the loads of cry baby crap the media fed you, while the ones who agreed with you had nothing to say except" I totaly agree". Insecure, maybe? Unable to defend their points, certainly.

The way you weakly defended you point shows me how much i was right. if somebody has something intelligent to say, with some real arguments, please respond. otherwise, do me a favor and shut up.

[Canadian_Wolf]

Russia is propaganda country. THere is no way you would let yourselves be led by such corrupt politicians. While Canada's Politics are not the best, at least we don't let the mafia have part in the government.

If they can do that, imagine how easy it is to victimize their country in sporting events. By the way, the Americans whined more for us than we could ever whine. Since they have so much more influence people actually listened to them. At least we don't claim doped skiers should keep their medals. To hell with dope heads.

WHen somebody beats you at something you previously dominated, such as Hockey, Pair Skating, Cross country you just can't seem to accept it. Heck, you'd even find an excuse if a Canadian would beat Kasparov or Krammik in chess.

If anybody has good arguments, please post.